Socialist Points Recalculations

[Big Kahuna]

In the case of the Top Four in NSS -- I don't think the points will change much for us -- but the next four will be major benefactors.

I'm hoping that y'all will show both "Point Earned" and "Points Spread Around" so everyone sees the penalties that the top of the ladder are rewarded for their successes in the first four races.

This was a topic discussed in many of the pits this past weekend. The feeling is that while it forced many to make all of the races -- as it will be near impossible to win without doing so -- it causes an equal or greater number of racers that would have made five of the seven to not go to any -- or just one or two. I personally miss seeing those racers at these races.

Also, I'll bet that with the dissatisfaction of many to virtually be extorted into the expense of making all of the races if they want to have a chance to win -- that this same policy next year will backfire on NMCA because more people will care more about individual events -- and fewer will make it to all of the events in 2010. That will make a points chase uninteresting with only a couple people in each class committing to all seven.

Currently, the most hated track (by those who voice an opinion) is Bradenton. From the Florida DOT ticketing so many races for over-length, or non-commercial licenses; to the obvious friction between the track owner and the farmer spending the entire weekend plowing the same patch of land at the end of the track during a 30MPH headwind; to the sandy pits -- a lot of racers say they're done with that track. Since that is the first race of the year and you have to make all of the races to win a Championship -- my bet is that in many of the bigger classes, fewer people will be competing for the Championship -- and as such would attend less races than the old system of best five of seven.

Anyone out there agree with me -- or is this only discussed in the pits and not on the forum?

[Bob Curran]

I Don't Agree with you, and no one I talked with this weekend mentioned anything about disliking the points system. First this was setup before anyone showed up for the first race of the year, if you didn't like it don't show up. Your comments about missing races and not being able to win a championship are just BS, The NMCA Busts their ass to give us a great place to race, if not no one would show, and Superbowl this year was their most successful event they have ever run. So people must be liking something about the series. It's always nice to hear the bitching and moaning after the fact! So give it a chance or go back and look at what would have changed if they had it in place last year, i think you'll be suprised not much would be different. I know what it would have been cause i looked into it for all classes! And your other points that are unrelated, are you trying to draw attention to yourself. My Rig is over length and I didn't have any issue as i purchased the required permit, "a farmer plowing the same patch of field so the track get dust blown on it" I certainly didn't notice that, 30 MPH well that will kick up the dust, but i would like to hear who plotted the direction of the wind? We been at Bradenton since 2003 (6 years) That NMCA only race always seem to draw the most cars of any event all year.

So feel free to stop by in my pits to discuss anthing you want, can't say i'll agree with you on the points above, but now if you suggest putting some mufflers on the NSS cars you got my attention!

First off, let's start with the weather at Bradenton. The fact that there's snow on the ground at 60% of all the tracks we run at during that time of year makes the Florida track favorable for a season opener. Our Midwest racers and their families love getting to spend 4 days in Florida in the sunshine and outta the snow. And don't forget- it has only rained once since we've been racing there.

Second, it's one of the best surfaces that we run on all year, if not the best. The track surface is well maintained and alot of other tracks we race at our pits are in the dirt. Since no one can control the wind. At least at Bradenton when the farmer isn't plowing, we don't have a dirt problem. I've personally only seen him plow once. Yes he was there for 2 days, but it's a large field and that's how long it took him to plow it once.

And like Bob said, Bradenton by far has the largest car count in every heads up class because the majority of fast cars in the country are here in Florida!

[Bob Curran]

Originally Posted by racer x

And like Bob said, Bradenton by far has the largest car count in every heads up class because the majority of fast cars in the country are here in Florida!

I don't think you heard me say the majority of the fast cars are in Florida!

Bob, I hate to break it to you, but all the fast cars in the country are in Florida. Maybe you should think about moving here. Oh wait, you're not one of the fastest cars. Stay in Illinois.

[NMCA Scott]

Originally Posted by racer x

Bob, I hate to break it to you, but all the fast cars in the country are in Florida. Maybe you should think about moving here. Oh wait, you're not one of the fastest cars. Stay in Illinois.

Lance.. I am about done with you... again.

[WarrenRacing71]

Originally Posted by Bob Curran

but now if you suggest putting some mufflers on the NSS cars you got my attention!

hahahaha amen brotha

[NMC-1]

Originally Posted by Big Kahuna

Currently, the most hated track (by those who voice an opinion) is Bradenton.



Anyone out there agree with me -- or is this only discussed in the pits and not on the forum?

From the slowest of the slow, Bradenton then BG is my favorite tracks. BG because it is close to home but Bradenton track officials are second to none IMO. Bradenton track officials are courteous and seemingly have the RACER's best interest at heart. The weather and wind well I guess that one belongs to the One whom is really in control.

Really the points are setup for the best racer to win. I was 400 points in front and now I am only 150 but I AM NOT the best racer just because I am the only one to have been to all the events and it is beginning to show.

I see both sides but You Big K are a good racer and the Championship is yours for the taking. Your in excellent position. Me I am just hanging on.

[drphillips]

ok, lets get bradenton thing strait, that was the worst conditions iv ever had 2 deal with . unless u had a motor home the sand storms made you feel nasty. no jet dryer, every 10th car crashed . poor lighting. and when spirro crashed at 12;30am monday they cancelled the race AS FAR AS THE POINTS YOU DO HAVE TO make every race to win the championship. 1 of the last three races dont count, so in my class ther arnt enough rounds to make up ground on the racers that get the 4 round attendance bonus.

[NMC-1]

Originally Posted by drphillips

AS FAR AS THE POINTS YOU DO HAVE TO make every race to win the championship. 1 of the last three races dont count, so in my class ther arnt enough rounds to make up ground on the racers that get the 4 round attendance bonus.

First how do you know there was sand in FL you were busy going rounds inside a car !!!!! You didn't have time to be on the beach although the wind had the track looking like a beach at times. But the Bradenton crew worked hard too keep it as safe as possible.

As far as points, ABSOLUTELY no one will get anymore than 100 bonus points extra if you (Jason) or anyone attends last three races with only missing one race. Actually you (Jason) have recieved 255 bonus points in race for ring which is MORE than anyone in the Top 3.

Nope, You, Doug, Brien and John will remain the favorites as usual regardless.
It is all too close now. Which is the way it should be, the best racer (as in those above) should win the Championship not the one (me) whom attends the most races.

[drphillips]

bobby it is possible. but if some one missed one of the last three they would lose another 100 pts too the guys who made all three . i just think like the big kahuna. that instead of helping the car count the attendace pts hurt the car count.

[NMC-1]

Originally Posted by drphillips

bobby it is possible. but if some one missed one of the last three they would lose another 100 pts too the guys who made all three . i just think like the big kahuna. that instead of helping the car count the attendace pts hurt the car count.

Hmmm I understand, guess I did not see it that way but then history will prove what is best. Seems it maybe a toss up as some will be encourage to come because they are back in the race while others if they have to miss a race just may forget the whole thing.

Good discussion I will send you mail. Look for it

[Big Kahuna]

First, nobody said anything bad about Florida (except the FL DOT busting the balls of racers) -- it is Bradenton that a lot of people (I wish these same people would have to guts to say it here and not be wall flowers) don't like. In the same breath many said they would love to see it at Gainesville or even Moroso.

Let's face it -- sand is not a good thing to suck into a carb. Every time a car pitting on the sandy side of the track started their car -- they blew sand around. A 30 mile an hour head wind also blew sand around. A farmer plowing the same two acres of sand at the end of the track all weekend in a 30-mile-hour head wind (obviously bad blood with the track) not only causes blowing sand, but dunes at the top of the track. Then when a jet car is sent down to scatter it -- an unsafe condition is created. Look at the 3rd qualifying records from that race for NSS. After the jet car there was two accidents -- and more than half of the NSS racers pulled out of line and gave up their third qualifying pass.

It is easy to blame all of the accidents that occurred at Bradenton as driver error -- but most people know better. I came close to wrecking, as did the Princess of Speed, when we raced in the Semi right after the jet car blowing the sand around. A lot of people said they will not be at Bradenton next year. You can believe me and think about Gainsville, Moroso, Atlanta, or another Southern track -- or compare the 2009 count to what you get in 2010.

I love the NMCA, and I like the people who race in it. However, I am a man who doesn't kiss ass, but instead says what's on his mind. I wish some of the other racers (what is it 5% of the racers post to this board?) would say what's on their mind, and what they talk about among themselves -- rather than not want to make waves for the NMCA. I think the NMCA should create an atmosphere where racers will give their honest feedback publicly -- and for drivers to have the cahones to do so.

I also stand by my opinion that while the "Spread the Points Around" policy might have caused more people to show up to all races this year -- as mathematically it is the only way to have a chance -- that some people who might have done five races will do three or less -- and that next year I don't think as many people will put as high of a priority on the Championship -- and fewer will make all seven races. That's my opinion -- but my honest opinion.

I'm not trying to make waves -- just state the spreading the points around is a bad policy, and will backfire. Bradenton is the worst track on the series (no matter how good the people there are) and more people would come to a better track.

I received an email today that reminded me of the new "Everyone is a Winner" points system.

PRESIDENT OBAMA ANNOUNCES RULE CHANGES TO THE GAME OF GOLF


Golfers with handicaps:
- below 10 will have their green fees increase by 35%
- between 11 and 18 will see no increase in green fees
- above 18 will play for free and even get a check from the club/course played
The $ amount put in for bets will be as follows:-for handicaps below 10 an additional $10
-between 11 and 18 no additional amount-above 18 you will divide the total amount in the pot (and you do not even have to play).
The term “gimme putt” will be changed to “entitlement putt”
and will be used as follows:-handicaps below 10, no entitlements
-handicaps above 11 to 17, entitlements for putter length putts
-handicaps above 18, if on green, no need to ever putt; just pick it up


These entitlements are intended to bring about fairness in scoring so that the final scores of all players will be about the same.
In addition, a Player will be limited to a max of one birdie and/or six pars, any excess must be given to those fellow players who have not yet scored a birdie or par.Only after all players have received a birdie or par from the player making the birdie or par, can that Player begin to count his score again.


The current USGA handicap system will be used for the above purposes but the term 'net score' will be available only for scoring those players with handicaps 18 and above.


This is intended to 'redistribute' the success of winning by making sure that in every competition the above 18 handicap players will post only 'net score' against every other player's gross score.


Per Obama. “These new Rules are intended to CHANGE the game of golf. Golf must be about fairness only, it should have nothing to do with ability.”

[CrawlinRS]

Big Kahuna for President !!!

[PRO_Voice]

...With all the sublety of a sledgehammer. Sometimes you can finesse things and achieve better results than beating the hell out of them.


Ron