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bbnova
10-01-2008, 05:10 PM
OK guys, here ya go. Everything that was edited is in red. There were a few things that were deleted from these rules so if you compare these to the current rules you will see what was deleted. I only did what was discussed in Atlanta for weight adders and subtractors. The base weight and jet changes were done only after discussions with the affected combos that currently run in this class. Feel free to give input on these rules as it is in the best interest of the class.




ARP - NOSTALGIA PRO STREET
NMCA SERIES 2008 RULES
General Overview
Nostalgia Pro Street vehicles are designed for American production passenger cars and trucks, 1950 & later, back half and tube chassis vehicles that emulate the famous “Pro Street” vehicles of the early 90’s that defined the Street movement. Nostalgia Pro Street vehicles are permitted small block and big block engines with nitrous oxide as the only permitted power adder on certain combinations. Nostalgia Pro Street racing will be conducted at all drag racing events (see race schedule).
Qualifying Information, Ladder Type, & Tree
All Run, NHRA Sportsman Ladder, Pro .400 tree, Heads-Up.
Weight Breaks
ENGINE INDUCTION WEIGHT MAX CUBIC INCH
Big Block Naturally Aspirated 2725 640
Big Block Nitrous Oxide 3100 480
Big Block Nitrous Oxide 3200 530
Big Block Nitrous Oxide 3200 640
Small Block Nitrous Oxide 2750 460
Small Block Nitrous Oxide 2850 525
Maximum Cubic Inch - 650
Any combo that shows to have an advantage at any NMCA event, that combo can be readjusted at any time.
Any vehicle that does not utilize the stock core support must add 25lbs.
Clutch-equipped transmissions must add 150 pounds to listed base weight. See section 2.12
OEM Style Cylinder Head (stock port layout, height, valve angle +/- 2 degrees) may deduct 100 lbs.
1950 – 1974 body styles and all Trucks–deduct 75 pounds from base weights.
Tube chassis vehicle (or back-half vehicles not meeting back-half requirements) must add 100 pounds to base weight. See section 1.16, 3.4.
Tube chassis vehicles permitted with tubular front clip & purpose built front suspension, required to add 100 lb to base weight.
Any “back half” vehicle that does not fit front suspension/chassis regulations must add 50 lbs. to base weight.
Fuel-injected entries must add 50 pounds to base weights. See section 1.20.
Big Block Nitrous entries equipped dual carburetor-equipped entries must add 50 lbs. See section 1.19.
All Small block engines with a canted valve head must add 100lbs.
*If actual cubic inch is more than base cubic inch listing, there will be a weight penalty of 7.0 pounds per cubic inch assessed to base weights, up to the maximum cubic inch permitted in the class.
Note: All weights are with driver & rounded down to the five pound increment. Ex: A calculated weight of 2842 would be required to weight 2840 with driver at scales.
Accepted Products:
Accepted Products Deadline: NMCA will accept requests from manufacturers to have new products considered for addition to 2008 accepted lists only up until November 10, 2008. After this date, NMCA will consider manufacturer requests for new products for the 2009 season.
1: ENGINE
1.1 COOLING SYSTEM
RADIATOR: OEM production-style or aftermarket radiator is required and must be mounted in front of engine.
Water pump: Any aftermarket (belt drive or electric drive) pump permitted.
COOLING FANS: Any permitted.
1.2 ENGINE
ENGINE: Engine must be a V-8 automotive type engine. Any internal modifications are permitted. Cross breeding of an engine to a different make of body permitted. Engine swapping permitted during event. Big block engines are limited to a maximum of 640 cubic inches and must use stock OEM block bore spacing and cylinder head bore spacing for OEM engine type. Small block engines are limited to a maximum of 525 cubic inches and must use stock OEM block bore spacing and cylinder head bore spacing for OEM engine type.
OEM engine type refers to the OEM type of engine a racer is using, not the manufacture of the block: such as big block Chevrolet, small block Chevrolet, big block Ford, big block Chrysler, etc. In addition if an original OEM engine type block was a 90 degree block, the block the racer uses must be a 90 degree block.
Water injection is prohibited.
1.3 EXHAUST
EXHAUST: All entries allowed to use tubular headers. Adapter plates permitted to bolt headers to cylinder head. Exhaust must be directed out of car body, away from driver and fuel tank.
1.3a) HEADERS & COLLECTORS: Any headers and/or collectors permitted.
1.3b) EXHAUST TUBING/SIZE: All exhaust gases released from engine must pass through muffler(s). Any exhaust tubing size permitted.
1.3c) TAILPIPE & EXHAUST RULES: Not required.
1.3d) MUFFLER REQUIREMENTS: Mufflers required. Commercially available, conventional style (generally available through retail locations) mufflers required. A maximum of two (2) mufflers is allowed. A maximum of one (1) inlet and one (1) outlet is permitted. Collector-style mufflers are permitted.
1.5 FUEL-DELIVERY SYSTEM
DELIVERY SYSTEM: Electric or mechanical fuel pumps permitted. Pressure regulators, and any line size permitted. All fuel lines must originate and return to a single, non-segmented, fuel cell or OEM fuel tank. Fuel pump must shut off with a master electrical switch. Any method of artificially heating or cooling fuel prohibited (cool cans, ice, wet rags, Freon, etc.). A valve for removal of fuel (gasoline) during technical inspections is mandatory. Valve must be installed between carburetor/injection and regulator, and should be installed in such a manner that allows a cup to be placed to catch fuel removed from the line. Exit of valve should be capped or plugged in addition to being closed for added safety.
Aftermarket/fabricated fuel tank or cell permitted. Must be located outside driver’s compartment and inside body lines. If tank or fuel filler is inside trunk, a bulkhead of minimum .032” aluminum or .024” steel must be used between trunk and driver compartment, and tank must be vented to outside of car. When used, fuel cells must have a metal box protecting the part of the fuel cell that is outside the trunk floor.
Non-metallic fuel cells or tanks must be grounded to frame. See NHRA General Regulations Section 1.5.
1.6 GASOLINE
GASOLINE: Gasoline as outlined here is the only acceptable fuel for use in this eliminator. The NMCA Racing Association reserves the right to check gasoline at any time during competition. Gasoline, as defined by the NHRA rulebook, is a mixture of hydrocarbons only. The average dielectric constant (D.C.) for the hydrocarbons that compromises gasoline is 2.025. This is defined as a reading of “0” on the fuel-check meter. NMCA allows no greater reading than a “0” on the fuel-check meter. Failure to pass fuel check is grounds for disallowance of the run during competition and disqualification from the event during eliminations.
NITROUS OXIDE
NITROUS OXIDE: Nitrous oxide entries are restricted to a single stage fogger or a single stage nitrous plate (or dual, single stage, nitrous plates for dual carb entries only). Nitrous line size is unrestricted. Nitrous jet limitations for big block nitrous engines over 530ci are as follows: Fogger: .030 maximum, Single plate: .096 maximum; Dual plates (two carbs only): .069 maximum. Big block nitrous engines under 530ci permitted to utilize a fogger system with a .046 maximum jet size. All small block nitrous combinations permitted to utilize a fogger system with a .044 maximum jet size. Push systems prohibited. The use of agents other than nitrous oxide as part of, or mixed in, the system are prohibited. Nitrous oxide may not be used in conjunction with any other power adder. If entry is entered as a non-nitrous entry, all solenoids, lines, fittings, and bottles must be removed prior to technical inspection and any competition runs.
SINGLE PLATE: The use of conventional style, single (one carb) or dual (two carbs), nitrous plates, bolt on style, with a maximum of 2 spray bars (1 nitrous - 1 fuel bar maximum) per plate. “X” bar or cross bar style nitrous systems prohibited. Progressive systems permitted. See SOLENOIDS 1.22 for restrictions to solenoids.
SINGLE FOGGER: The use of a conventional style, single stage, and nitrous fogger system permitted. Limited to one nitrous nozzle, and one nitrous orifice, per cylinder. Progressive systems permitted. See SOLENOIDS 1.22 for restrictions to solenoids.
PLENUM SYSTEM: The use of a plenum spray system is permitted with a maximum of 2 spray bars (1 nitrous - 1 fuel bar maximum). Progressive systems permitted. See SOLENOIDS 1.22 for restrictions to solenoids.

PURGE: Nitrous purge system permitted, purge must exit at the cowl area away from inlet area of the hood or hood scoop. Purge tube must exit via a straight tube a minimum length 4 inches protruding from the cowl, and may not be within 12 inches of the opening of the hood. Plume or nail head at end of line is prohibited.
1.9 OIL SYSTEM
OILING SYSTEM: Any oiling system permitted. Any vacuum pump and/or evacuator system (header, or otherwise) permitted. Any oil pan permitted.
1.10 SUPERCHARGER
SUPERCHARGER: Prohibited.
1.15 BLOCK
BLOCK: Big block and small block engines equipped with nitrous oxide are restricted to stock OEM bore spacing. Naturally aspirated big blocks permitted a maximum bore spacing of 4.900”. Any internal modifications permitted. Any commercially available cast iron or aluminum engine block is permitted which fits these specifications.
1.16 ENGINE LOCATION/MOUNTS
ENGINE LOCATION (ALL EXCEPT TUBE CHASSIS): Maximum allowable engine setback from the centerline of the number-one spark-plug hole to the centerline of the front spindle is 4 inches, except in those vehicles in which the engine was factory installed at a distance greater than 4 inches behind the spindle. In those cases, the engine setback may be no further back than the stock location. Engine plates and solid engine mounts permitted. Block and/or heads must not touch firewall or cowl area.
Engine Location (TUBE CHASSIS): maximum allowable engine setback is no more than 10% of the wheelbase as measured from centerline of front spindle to center of spark plug hole. Engine plates and solid engine mounts permitted. Block and/or heads must not touch firewall or cowl area.
1.17 HEADS
HEADS, GENERAL: Nostalgia Pro Street is intended for ported, high performance “street/strip and race” cast iron or aftermarket aluminum cylinder heads. Big block and small block cylinder heads are restricted to those originally designed as “stock bore spacing” cylinder heads that are originally produced with a intake valve angle no less than 11 degrees. Cylinder heads are restricted to a minimum valve angle of 11 degrees during competition. Small block engines must maintain standard OEM valve layout design (no substituting canted valve for inline head, etc.)
1.17a) HEADS, PERMITTED: Original manufacture, generally available heads, accepted by NMCA, permitted. Billet or fabricated heads prohibited. Cylinder heads must be overhead valve single spark plug per cylinder design. One-off or custom made cylinder heads prohibited. Internal port areas of cylinder heads may be welded or epoxied, but heads must maintain standard “as produced” valve layout design, valve cant, etc. (no fabricating a canted valve design from an inline head, etc.) All small block combos can run a canted valve head with weight adder.
1.17b) HEADS, MASS PRODUCED: Only mass produced, commercially available, NMCA accepted, commonly available, cast aluminum or cast iron cylinder head is permitted. Low volume, one off, aluminum cylinder heads prohibited.
1.17c) HEADS, BOLT PATTERN: Any permitted.
1.17d) VALVE JOB: Any valve job permitted.
1.17e) RUNNER/COMBUSTIONS CHAMBER COATINGS: Any permitted.
1.17f) HEADS, PORTING: Permitted.
1.17g) HEADS, WELDING/EPOXY: Permitted.
1.17h) HEADS, VALVES: Any OEM or aftermarket valve permitted. Bronze lined or replacement guides permitted.
1.17i) HEADS, MILLING: No regulations limiting milling. All cylinder heads are restricted to a minimum valve angle of 11 degrees during competition.
1.17j) HEADS, PUSHROD SLEEVES: Permitted. Cylinder head may be cut for larger push rods.
1.17k) HEADS, COMBUSTION CHAMBER VOLUME: No regulations limiting combustion chamber volume.
1.17l) HEADS, PORT PLATES/ADAPTER PLATES: Port plates/adapter plates permitted on intake & exhaust side of cylinder head.
1.18 VALVETRAIN
1.18a) CAMSHAFT: Any permitted.
1.18b) LIFTERS: Any permitted.
1.18c) LIFTER BORES: Lifter bores permitted to be bushed.
1.18d) VALVE LOCK: Any permitted.
1.18e) RETAINERS: Any permitted.
1.18f) ROCKER ARMS: Any permitted.
1.18g) CAMSHAFT DRIVE SYSTEM: Any permitted.
1.19 CARBURETORS
CARBURETORS: Single or dual carburetors accepted on all combinations. Split carburetors prohibited (example: a Dominator, split and offset into two two-barrels). Dual carburetor-equipped entries must add 50 lbs. Naturally aspirated and nitrous small block entries may utilize dual carbs without weight penalty. Any size carb(s) permitted. Aerosol Carburetors Prohibited.
1.20 FUEL INJECTION
Fuel Injection: Fuel injection permitted, must be electronic.
Fuel-injected entries must add weight to listed base weight. Single or dual throttle bodies (single throttle blade or single four-barrel style) accepted. Any four-barrel style throttle body must be arranged in a conventional manner (grouped together as a carburetor).
1.21 INTAKE MANIFOLD
INTAKE MANIFOLD: Mass produced, commercially available, cast aluminum, carburetor type intake manifolds with a common plenum required for nitrous combinations. Single carb style or single/dual carb tunnel ram style cast intake accepted. Sheet metal fabricated or carbon fiber manifold accepted for all combinations with no weight adder. Porting, minor welding or epoxy on interior of cast intake manifold permitted. No welding or epoxy permitted on exterior of intake manifold for any reason, with the sole exception of nitrous/fuel injector bungs.
1.22 SOLENOIDS
SOLENOIDS: Maximum of 4 solenoids (2 – nitrous, 2 – fuel). One inline “safety” solenoid permitted for progressive systems only.
1.23 TURBOCHARGERS
TURBOCHARGERS: Prohibited
1.24 AFTERCOOLER/INTERCOOLER
AFTERCOOLER/INTERCOOLER: Prohibited.
1.25 POWER ADDERS
POWER ADDERS: Any single power adder (nitrous oxide & supercharger) permitted with engine combination. See sections 1.9, 1.12, & 1.23.
1.26 CRANKSHAFT
CRANKSHAFT: Any crankshaft permitted. Multi-piece or composite crankshafts prohibited.
1.27 CONNECTING RODS
CONNECTING RODS: Steel, aluminum, or titanium connecting rods required. Composite connecting rods prohibited.
1.28 HEAD GASKETS & QUENCH AREA
HEAD GASKETS & QUENCH AREA: No restrictions.
1.29 PISTONS, PINS, RINGS
PISTONS, PINS, RINGS: Any piston, pin, ring combination permitted.
1.30 BOOST CONTROLLERS
BOOST CONTROLLERS: Prohibited.
1.31 WASTEGATE & PRESSURE REGULATOR
WASTEGATE & PRESSURE REGULATOR: Prohibited.
1.32 VISIBLE COATINGS
VISIBLE COATINGS: Visible coatings are permitted where lubricants are present. Visible piston coating above the top ring is permitted. Visible coating of cylinder head runners, combustions chambers, and/or intake manifold runners/plenums permitted.
1.33 “O” RINGING OF BLOCK
“O” RINGING OF BLOCK: Permitted.
2: DRIVETRAIN
2.3 CLUTCH
CLUTCH: Clutch operation must be manually applied and disengaged with foot during run, without the assist of electric, hydraulic or pneumatic devices. Multi stage, variable release, or lock up type of any description is prohibited. Throwout bearing must release all fingers or levers simultaneously. Clutch (2 disk maximum) meeting SFI spec 1.1 or 1.2 mandatory.
2.4 DRIVESHAFT
DRIVESHAFT: Any permitted.
2.11 REAREND
REAREND: Any automotive type rearend permitted.
2.12 MANUAL TRANSMISSIONS
MANUAL TRANSMISSION: OEM or aftermarket transmissions with a maximum of 5 forward speeds permitted, including “clutchless” models. Any gear change must occur from direct action by the driver. Pneumatic, electric, hydraulic, etc. shifters prohibited. Torque converters not permitted with this type of transmission.
2.13 PURPOSE BUILT TRANSMISSIONS
PURPOSE BUILT TRANSMISSIONS: Any purpose built transmission with a maximum of 5 forward speeds utilizing a clutch permitted. Any purpose built transmission with 3 speeds or less utilizing a torque converter must add weight to listed base weight (see section 13). Any gear change must occur as a result of an internal function of the transmission or from direct action by the driver. Pneumatic, electric, hydraulic, etc. shifters prohibited. Clutch not permitted with this type of transmission.
2.14 AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSIONS
(OEM American transmissions or replicas of OEM American transmissions that use planetary gears)
AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSIONS: Any OEM American automatic transmission or a replica of an OEM American automatic transmission that uses planetary gears and torque converter permitted, three forward speeds maximum. Transmission-to-engine adapters are permitted. Lock-up transmissions/torque converters permitted. Trans brakes permitted. Automatic transmission entries run at listed base weights. Pneumatic, electric, hydraulic, etc. shifters prohibited. Any gear change must occur as a result of an internal function of the transmission or from direct action by the driver. Clutch not permitted with this type of transmission.
3: BRAKES & SUSPENSION
3.1 BRAKES
BRAKES: All cars must have front and rear hydraulic brakes. Automated brakes or any type of traction control is prohibited. Application and release of brakes must be a function of the driver’s foot. Line lock permitted on front wheels only. Any other electric, pneumatic, or hydraulic device in the system is prohibited.
3.2 SHOCK ABSORBERS
SHOCK ABSORBERS: each vehicle in competition must be equipped with one operative shock absorber for each sprung wheel. Shock absorbers may be either hydraulic or friction type, securely mounted and in good working order.
3.3 STEERING
STEERING: Any type steering permitted.
3.4 SUSPENSION, general
SUSPENSION, GENERAL: This eliminator is designed for “back half vehicles” with stock front frame rails, and stock type front suspension, and for “tube chassis vehicles”. A “back half vehicle” is defined as a vehicle which 1) maintains the stock front frame rails, stock radiator/core support area, and utilizes stock or stock type, direct replacement style front suspension and 2) maintains the stock firewall in the stock location. Rear suspensions are permitted to be stock, ladder bars, or 4-links. Coil over shocks are permitted. Tube chassis vehicles permitted with tubular front clip & purpose built front suspension, required to add 100 lb to base weight. Any “back half” vehicles that do not fit front suspension/chassis regulations must add weight to listed base weight.
NO FRONT WHEEL DRIVE CONVERSIONS PERMITTED IN THIS ELIMINATOR.
3.4 SUSPENSION, FRONT – BACKHALF TYPE CHASSIS
FRONT SUSPENSION:
3.4a) K-MEMBERS: Aftermarket K-Members permitted. K-member may be modified in oil pan area to allow oil pan enlargement or removal.
3.4b) STRUT TOWER/UPPER SHOCK MOUNTING POINTS: Factory OEM strut tower required. For 1978 and older vehicle model years, only OEM strut tower/shock tower may be removed in lieu of installing/using commercially available suspension kit (i.e., Heidt, Fatman, etc). Other sections of front suspension rules must be adhered to.
3.4c) CONTROL ARMS: OEM or tubular stock type control arms required which are attached in stock location.
3.4d) SHOCKS/STRUTS: Aftermarket struts and shocks permitted provided stock attachment location used.
3.4e) SPRINGS: Aftermarket springs permitted.
3.4f) COIL OVERS: Coil over shocks and struts permitted. Stock OEM mounting location required.
3.4g) CAMBER PLATES: Bolt on type camber plates permitted.
3.4h) SPINDLES: Accepted, bolt-on, commercially available aftermarket spindles permitted.
Back half vehicles that do not fit front suspension/chassis regulations may compete as tube chassis vehicle.
SUSPENSION, FRONT – TUBE CHASSIS
FRONT SUSPENSION: Purpose built front suspensions & tubular front clips accepted for competition, must add 100 lbs. to base weight.
3.4 SUSPENSION, REAR
REAR SUSPENSION: Stock and aftermarket type suspension, including leaf springs, stock 3 or 4 link, ladder bars, and aftermarket racing style 4-link suspension permitted. Rear coil-over shocks permitted.
3.4a) STOCK TYPE SUSPENSION: Stock type suspension may utilize aftermarket, direct replacement type suspension components including aftermarket replacement shocks, springs, leaf springs (may be moved inboard), and/or control arms. Aftermarket torque arms permitted. Aftermarket leaf spring kits permitted.
3.4b) 4-LINKS: Racing style 4 link suspensions using fabricated front cross member support permitted. Track locators permitted.
3.4c) LADDER BARS: Welded on ladder bars using fabricated front cross member support permitted. Ladder bars permitted.
3.4d) REPLACEMENT CONTROL ARMS & LEAF SPRINGS: Replacement upper and lower control arms and leaf springs permitted. Control arms may use any type bushing, bearing, or rod end. Control arms may be adjustable to any length.
3.4e) PANHARD BARS: Permitted. Panhard bars must be located aft of rearend housing. Panhard bars may be welded.
3.4f) SWAY BARS: Aftermarket or factory sway bars permitted. Aftermarket sway bars may be welded to both chassis and rearend housing.
3.4g) TORQUE ARMS: Permitted.
3.4h) REAR SHOCKS & SPRINGS: Any permitted, including coil over shocks and springs.
3.6 WHEELIE BARS
WHEELIE BARS: All wheelie bars must have a non-metallic wheel. Wheels must turn freely at starting line. Wheel preload is prohibited. Using the wheelie bar as a “fifth wheel” sensing device is prohibited. Wheelie bars must be fixed. Hydraulic, pneumatic, electronic, etc. or any other adjustment or movement during run is prohibited.
4:FRAME
4.4 FRAME
FRAME: Stock, unaltered front frame rails required for back half vehicle. For back half vehicles, frame rails may be replaced rearward of the firewall. For tube chassis type vehicles, purpose built frame rails permitted for entire length of vehicle. If the stock rear frame is notched, it must be reinforced in a manner acceptable to NHRA. Subframes on unibodied cars may be joined under car. Maximum size material to be used; 2” x 3” x 0.125” rectangular tubing or 1 5/8 O.D. inch round tubing (.118MS or .083CM). If connector protrudes through floor, floor must be completely welded to connector. Rear subframe may be moderately moved in or “C’d” for tire clearance. Rear subframes may be constructed of 2” x 3” rectangular material with 0.083” wall thickness or 1.625” O.D. x .083” inch wall chromemoly (.118” wall mild steel) round tubing.
4.5 GROUND CLEARANCE
GROUND CLEARANCE: Minimum 3 inches from front of vehicle to 12 inches behind centerline of front axle; 2 inches for remainder of vehicle, except oil pan and exhaust headers.
4.12 WHEELBASE
WHEELBASE: Entries must retain stock wheelbase within + or - 1 inches of stock. Maximum variation from left to right and front to back of 1 inch.
5: TIRES AND WHEELS
5.1TIRES
TIRES–FRONT: Front tires must have a minimum tread width of 4.5 inches.
TIRES–REAR: Street type or racing slicks permitted. Maximum rear tire sidewall designation allowed in competition for racing slicks is 35.0/17-16. DOT tires may also be used with a maximum rear sidewall designation of 35/22.5-16. Tire tread may not extend outside fenders.
5.2 WHEELS
WHEELS: Spindle-mount front wheels permitted.
6: INTERIOR
6.1 INTERIOR
Interior: Must maintain stock appearance; including factory OEM style dashboard. Heater/air conditioners may be removed. Master cylinder may be relocated to accommodate brake pedals & linkage.
6.4 CARPET
CARPET: Floor and tunnel where visible must be upholstered or carpeted. Aftermarket wheel tubs do not require carpeting. Headliner required.
6.5 SEATS
SEATS: Upholstered OEM or aftermarket upholstered seats (2) required. Seat location may be altered, but seatback not permitted behind the plane of the rear doorjamb. For tube chassis vehicles only, seat location may be altered, but seatback not permitted to be greater than 4-inches behind the plane of the rear doorjamb. Rear seat may be removed when roll bar/roll cage is installed; area must be carpeted or upholstered.
6.6 DOOR PANELS
DOOR PANELS: Stock OEM or replacement type door panels required.
6.7 STEERING COLUMN
STEERING COLUMN: Aftermarket steering column permitted. Removable steering wheel permitted.
6.8 GAUGES
GAUGES: Aftermarket gauges may be installed in factory or OEM
style dash.
6.9 PEDALS
PEDALS/PEDAL LOCATION: Aftermarket pedals and linkage are permitted, but must remain in stock location in foot well.
7: BODY
BODY GENERAL: Nostalgia Pro Street is restricted to 1950 & newer American made rear wheel drive vehicles. Body dimensions and shape must be exact OEM stock, vehicle must retain original appearances and profiles for year and make of body. Panel cars prohibited. For the purpose of this eliminator, legal vehicles will be restricted to those that where factory line assembled, and must retain factory door jams, rockers, complete door mounting area (including the area beneath the A-pillar, which may be altered to facilitate lift off doors). Steel (or original OEM fiberglass) material required for quarter panels and roof. Aluminum or fiberglass material permitted for front fenders, hood, doors, deck-lid, and bumpers. Hood and/or trunk lid must be hinged or lift off. Hood, doors, and trunk lid must be attached separately and must be operable. One piece front ends (fenders and front valance/bumper) are permitted. Alterations or aerodynamic modifications such as “chopped tops”, “channeling”, “sectioning”, “shortening” or “scaling down” prohibited. Flaring or spreading of external fender lines prohibited. Body must be finished and painted.
If a convertible top is used as an entry, the use of ANY mechanism under or above the convertible top is not permitted.
Ex: Building a cover that would be located above or below the convertible top, using straps below or above the convertible top, etc.
Convertible tops need to be operational in all classes that the windows are required to operate.
All entries with convertible tops must compete with top up.
7.1 ADVERTISING
GRAPHICS: Sponsorship graphics, logos, lettering, and/or decals (for advertising or creative purposes) restricted to rear quarter panels, windows, Rocker panels, front fenders and hoodscoop only. No letters, decals, or sponsorship graphics to appear on doors, roof, hood, bumpers, or rear trunk lid.
CONTINGENCY DECALS: In order to be eligible for NMCA official contingency program, all contingency decals (or decals that are not contingency paying) are required to appear on the rear quarter windows or rear window only.
NMCA REQUIRED DECALS: The following decals are required for competition in NMCA events.
NMCA Windshield Decal – must be installed on top of windshield. This NMCA decal must be the only decal on top of windshield. Other vehicle sponsor decals may be placed at base of windshield.
NMCA 2008 Drag Racing Series “Side” Decals – must be installed on each side of vehicle on quarter windows.
Class Sponsor Decal – class sponsor decal must be installed on base of windshield on the passenger side.
Permanent Numbers – permanent numbers are required for competition in this class.
7.2 SPOILERS
REAR SPOILER: Rear spoilers permitted, may not extend more than 26 inches from the transition point with the body to the rear most portions. Rear spoiler may not be molded into body (Pro Mod Style).
Spoilers must be stationary during entire run. A positive locking device to prevent movement required. Spring loaded spoilers prohibited. Spoiler spill plates (if used) may be a maximum of 12” in height.
7.5 FIREWALLS
FIREWALL: Stock firewall in stock location required if back half vehicles, but notching and minor modifications permitted to stock firewall for engine clearance, exhaust, etc. Fabricated firewall permitted for tube chassis vehicle. For Chevrolet Corvette, only if OEM equipped with stock fiberglass firewall; firewall may be replaced with a flat steel firewall, no thinner than .024, located in the OEM stock location. Replacement steel firewall must be one piece, fully attached along perimeter, and permanent in nature.
7.6 FLOOR/TRUNK PAN
FLOOR: Floor/ trunk pan/transmission tunnel modifications are permitted. Replacing stock floor/trunk pan/transmission tunnel with a minimum of.024 inch thick steel or .032 inch thick aluminum permitted. Magnesium is prohibited.
7.7 HOOD/SCOOP
HOOD\SCOOP: OEM, or fiberglass hood and /or scoop permitted. Forward-opening or rear-opening scoops permitted. One opening only permitted. Induction must be completely covered by hood, bubble, or scoop. Hood must be separate and not be part of front fenders. Scoop need not be part of the vehicle hood.
7.9 WINDSHIELDS/WINDOWS
WINDOWS: OEM safety glass or NHRA-accepted safety glass, or 0.125” thick polycarbonate material, such as Lexan MR 4000 mandatory. Driver and passenger windows must be closed during racing. Bracing and/or rivets must not be visible from outside of vehicle. Window tint is prohibited forward of the “B” pillar.
7.10 BUMPERS
BUMPERS: Front and rear bumpers must be OEM or be duplicates of originals and may be made of steel or fiberglass. License plate frame holders are not permitted to extend beyond flat surface of front bumper. No body components, bumper add-ons, or body kits are permitted to be added to the vehicle with the intent of increasing the frontal distance of the bumper for the purposes of breaking the infrared beams.
7.11 FENDER SPLASH PANS
FENDER SPLASH PANS: Full, factory OEM or aftermarket inner fenders required. May be trimmed for header clearance.
7.12 GRILLE
GRILLE: Full factory stock grille required. Blocking of grille to prevent air passage is prohibited. Grill may not be fake, painted or airbrushed.
7.13 WHEELWELLS
INNER WHEELWELLS: Aftermarket wheeltubs permitted. Material used to add to the width of the inner wheelwell may be steel, aluminum, fiberglass, or carbon fiber.
OUTER FENDERS: Leading and trailing edges of fenders may be trimmed for tire clearance.
7.14 RAM AIR/ENGINE AIR PANS
RAM AIR: Any ram-air unit permitted. Headlights/taillights/hazard lights may not be removed/modified for air induction.
7.15 DOORS
DOORS: Driver and passenger doors must be functional and operable from inside and outside of vehicle. OEM, aluminum, or fiberglass replicas permitted.
7.16 AERODYNAMICS
AERODYNAMICS: Taping of any body parts, seams, or front end prohibited. Removal of side mirrors permitted.
7.17 BODY KITS
BODY KITS: Accepted, commercially available body kits permitted. Filling in the lower valance permitted. (taping not permitted).
7.18 COWL AREA
COWL AREA: Complete OEM cowl required for non-tube chassis vehicle. Cowl area may be notched if tube chassis weight break is used.
7.19 FRONT FENDERS/FRONT FASCIA
FRONT FENDERS/FRONT FASCIA: O.E.M. or aftermarket stock appearing front fenders made of steel, aluminum, or fiberglass permitted. Stock appearing front fascia required. May be one-piece.
8: ELECTRICAL
8.1 BATTERY
BATTERY: Battery may be relocated. Alternator not required.
8.3 IGNITION
IGNITION: Any battery operated ignition permitted. Any distributor drive system permitted.
8.5 STARTER
STARTER: All entries must be self-starting with on-board starter.
9: SUPPORT GROUPS
Bracket racing aids such as optical sensors, delay boxes, stutter boxes, etc. prohibited. Throttle stops prohibited. The application or use of any device, mechanical or electronic that permits the driver to ascertain the position of their vehicle in relation to the starting line is prohibited.
9.2 ONBOARD DIAGNOSTICS\DATA RECORDERSONBOARD DIAGNOSTICS/DATA RECORDERS: Onboard diagnostics and data recorders used to monitor and record parameters such as a driveshaft speed, acceleration, nitrous timing, chassis strain, suspension travel etc., permitted. Wide band oxygen sensors permitted. “Playback” tachometers permitted (i.e. Autometer Dual Channel Ultimate II tachometers, and the use of its features). Laptops permitted in vehicle.
9.7 BOTTLES
BOTTLES: All bottles must be securely mounted, stamped with a minimum DOT–1800lb. rating, and identified as nitrous oxide. Bottles located in driver’s compartment must be equipped with the correct relief valve per manufacturer recommendations and vented outside the driver’s compartment. Bottles are limited to one 10-lb. bottle. Small blocks and nitrous engines less than 530ci may use two (2) 10-lb bottles. The use of any agents other than nitrous oxide as a part of, or mixed with, this pressurized fuel system is strictly prohibited. (Push systems are prohibited.) Commercially available, thermostatically controlled, blanket type bottle heaters are acceptable. Any other method of heating bottles in vehicle is prohibited.
9.8 TOW VEHICLES
TOW VEHICLES: Vehicles may be towed in or to staging lanes. Vehicles may be towed from the return road.
10: DRIVER
10.4 CREDENTIALS
CREDENTIALS: See general regulations.
11: CLASS & SAFETY REQUIREMENTS
It is the participant’s responsibility to familiarize oneself with the class requirements as found in the 2008 NMCA rulebook and the safety requirements as found in the 2008 NHRA rulebook.
The participant agrees that the participant bears the ultimate responsibility at all times to ensure that participant complies with all applicable NHRA & NMCA rules. The participant agrees that participant is in the best position to know about the construction and operation of participant’s vehicle, equipment, and clothing, and whether there has been compliance with all applicable NHRA & NMCA rules.
12: STREET-LEGAL REQUIREMENTS
Headlights and tail lights for year & make of body used mandatory. Head lights & tail lights required to be functional.
13: RULES ADJUSTMENTS, MID SEASON LOG
DATE: ADJUSTMENT:
None at this time.

Last Updated: October 2, 2008

Ben Holt
10-01-2008, 09:28 PM
So a current 632 dual carb/sheet metal combo would lose 50 lbs., and that would be the only change? One thing we never did discuss was the difference between the plates and foggers.....

I will say this.. I haven't been around this class for very long, and not racing in general (at least compared to some of you old farts hahah) but I was very impressed at how well the meeting went in Atlanta. There was no screaming, pissing, moaning, or anything else to make it uncomfortable or non-productive. You really seem to have agroup of racers that want to keep everybody happy (and competitive), and that is a huge surprise this day and age. Keep up the good work, and I hope the NMCA listens, and helps keep this deal going stronger

klafferty
10-01-2008, 10:11 PM
At least you made some headway but I think that all big blocks should have the same base weight and use nitrous jet for power leval to be equal...

Jim Widener
10-02-2008, 05:05 AM
I Think this is an area that needs to be discussed the plate jet size is comparable to a 34 jet in a fogger system.when the rules were revised and all combo's lost 2 jet sizes the plates were overlooked so I think we need to drop enough jet from the plates to make it comparable on hp #s again right now the 30 fogger is about 300hp and 69 in the plates is capable of around 360 to 370hp.

So a current 632 dual carb/sheet metal combo would lose 50 lbs., and that would be the only change? One thing we never did discuss was the difference between the plates and foggers.....

I will say this.. I haven't been around this class for very long, and not racing in general (at least compared to some of you old farts hahah) but I was very impressed at how well the meeting went in Atlanta. There was no screaming, pissing, moaning, or anything else to make it uncomfortable or non-productive. You really seem to have agroup of racers that want to keep everybody happy (and competitive), and that is a huge surprise this day and age. Keep up the good work, and I hope the NMCA listens, and helps keep this deal going stronger

bbnova
10-02-2008, 05:07 AM
What do you suggest Mr. Lafferty????

bbnova
10-02-2008, 05:14 AM
We did not pick up much at all when we made the switch. Team BBNova made the swich before Bowling Green and didn't step up our program till Joliet when we made other changes. If it is shown that the plate has a huge advantage over the fogger with the current rules then I agree, but as of now there is no proof that the plate system makes that much more power. You can't go by the pill size alone. The plate sprays out small holes in a tube while the fogger system has no restriction after the pill. The reason we use it is the fuel jet for the fogger got to be so small to hit my tuneup that I was afraid the jet would get blocked. And lastly, look at Atlanta qualifying, Beeson and us ran the same number. Where is the advantage? Show me proof.

I Think this is an area that needs to be discussed the plate jet size is comparable to a 34 jet in a fogger system.when the rules were revised and all combo's lost 2 jet sizes the plates were overlooked so I think we need to drop enough jet from the plates to make it comparable on hp #s again right now the 30 fogger is about 300hp and 69 in the plates is capable of around 360 to 370hp.

bbnova
10-02-2008, 05:15 AM
If we hit the 530BB and SB combos enough????

Pat Powers
10-02-2008, 05:41 AM
What happened to the Canted Valve Head for a SBC Combo ?

Pat

bbnova
10-02-2008, 05:54 AM
Someone would bring that up. I couldn't find that in my notes anywhere. Suggestions???

Jim Widener
10-02-2008, 05:57 AM
I am just using the same logic you guys use we know how much nitrious the fogger flows and how much nitrious the plates flow you put more n2o in the cylinders in a givin amount of time it doesn't matter how it gets there its going to make more power unless the tune is just way off.If it's not an advantage then everyone would be happy to put there foggers back on.
I wonder if Mr lafferty has any coments on this as I know he has done some testing with it?I don't think they would be trying it on both cars if they didn't think there was an advantage.
Comon kevin can't we agree on something you'r like my wife think you'r always right:D

bbnova
10-02-2008, 06:07 AM
Like I said, unless there is hard proof that the current plate is that much faster than the current fogger, I will disagree with you. If the way you get it there doens't matter how bout we mandate a -4 line to your fogger system. The difference being the restriction would be before the pill where the restriction with the plate is the plate itself. This is what I have found. Like I said, if you have proof there is a big advantage, then I am open for a change.

bbnova
10-02-2008, 06:10 AM
If we hit the BB530 combo hard enough? Keep in mind Widner went 7.41 at almost 3000 lbs in Atlanta. So the real hit is really only the pill change of .046 to a .044? Is .02 enough to slow him down a tenth???

Jim Widener
10-02-2008, 06:18 AM
With a -4 line to the fogger you would be changing the amount of n2o getting to the plate and yeh thats going to change the flow rate.The plates are not restricted on how many holes you can have so there is no limit to the flow at the bars other than the entry to the plate.

Like I said, unless there is hard proof that the
current plate is that much faster than the current fogger, I will disagree with you. If the way you get it there doens't matter how bout we mandate a -4 line to your fogger system. The difference being the restriction would be before the pill where the restriction with the plate is the plate itself. This is what I have found. Like I said, if you have proof there is a big advantage, then I am open for a change.

bbnova
10-02-2008, 06:22 AM
What was said in Atlanta for a weight hit or does anyone have a suggestion on this head???



What happened to the Canted Valve Head for a SBC Combo ?

Pat

Jim Widener
10-02-2008, 06:27 AM
keep in mind you guys also are getting a 50lb weight break for the sheet metal.

If we hit the BB530 combo hard enough? Keep in mind Widner went 7.41 at almost 3000 lbs in Atlanta. So the real hit is really only the pill change of .046 to a .044? Is .02 enough to slow him down a tenth???

bbnova
10-02-2008, 06:30 AM
are, not everyone. Probably just me and Pete.

Ben Holt
10-02-2008, 07:16 AM
Wasn't there talk of 100lbs. on the 530BB? So it would be .002 and 100 lbs.... I thought I remembered talking about that, but never finally coming to any conclusion....we had Jim hung up a little bit :) And then bring the plates down to be equal with the .030 fogger

Robin
10-02-2008, 07:30 AM
Forgive me for not doing the research on the either of the Big Block applications. I won't profess to know what is best so I will leave that to those who do.
I have been following the developments as they relate to my combination. ;)

I was and remain concerned that people are ignoring the advantage of a canted valve head verses an inline head in the small block comination. Kenny and others have mentioned it but I see nothing that addresses that in the proposed rules.
I see we have an additional 50 pounds added but then my car gets that back with the clutch weight reduction. I applaud the clutch weight reduction. 150 pounds is more in line with the other classes.

Our current heads are not in the ballpark compared to a canted valve head. Because it was ever offered on an LS engine we cannot run those offered by ET Performance. Our inline head flows close to 400 CFM. We are hopeful that when GM Performance Parts releases their new LSX heads we can gain about 30 numbers. Still that doesn't get us even with the currently legal small blocks with canted valves.
Why not add another 50 pounds to the canted valve small block and leave the jet at a .046?
We will continue to refine our combination. Hopefully we can run close to the big dogs.

Thanks

Robin

bbnova
10-02-2008, 07:37 AM
There is no proof as of yet that the plate system has an advantage. If someone would like to setup a test in Memphis, I would be more than happy to offer up my plate system for the test. All you would need is a car that would let us use their fogger system and compare. We would need to wire both systems so they active together and 2 scales to weigh the bottles.




Wasn't there talk of 100lbs. on the 530BB? So it would be .002 and 100 lbs.... I thought I remembered talking about that, but never finally coming to any conclusion....we had Jim hung up a little bit :) And then bring the plates down to be equal with the .030 fogger

bbnova
10-02-2008, 07:38 AM
So what are you thinking for a weight adder for the canted valve head???



Forgive me for not doing the research on the either of the Big Block applications. I won't profess to know what is best so I will leave that to those who do.
I have been following the developments as they relate to my combination. ;)

I was and remain concerned that people are ignoring the advantage of a canted valve head verses an inline head in the small block comination. Kenny and others have mentioned it but I see nothing that addresses that in the proposed rules.
I see we have an additional 50 pounds added but then my car gets that back with the clutch weight reduction. I applaud the clutch weight reduction. 150 pounds is more in line with the other classes.

Our current heads are not in the ballpark compared to a canted valve head. Because it was ever offered on an LS engine we cannot run those offered by ET Performance. Our inline head flows close to 400 CFM. We are hopeful that when GM Performance Parts releases their new LSX heads we can gain about 30 numbers. Still that doesn't get us even with the currently legal small blocks with canted valves.
Why not add another 50 pounds to the canted valve small block and leave the jet at a .046?
We will continue to refine our combination. Hopefully we can run close to the big dogs.

Thanks

Robin

Pat Powers
10-02-2008, 08:04 AM
Add 50lbs for the Canted Valve Head.

Robin
10-02-2008, 08:33 AM
Add 50lbs for the Canted Valve Head.

I said this....
"Why not add another 50 pounds to the canted valve small block and leave the jet at a .046?"

What do you think about that?

Now would that allow someone to run a canted valve head on a engine that never came that way? Like the SBC or the LS engines?
It's going to get interesting if we start to see Pro Stock truck heads on 440 cubic inch small blocks.
Sorry Pat but in those cases the 50 pounds would not be enough.

Robin

bbnova
10-02-2008, 08:38 AM
Needs to be slowed down some as Bucarro has run the same number as the 530 combo this year. If we kept the jet at .046 that would put Bucarro right back to where he is today ET wise after the weight hit.

Robin
10-02-2008, 08:59 AM
Needs to be slowed down some as Bucarro has run the same number as the 530 combo this year. If we kept the jet at .046 that would put Bucarro right back to where he is today ET wise after the weight hit.

I thought that your suggestion for the extra 50 on the Small Block was reasonable. Then add another 50 on top of that for a Canted Valve
Total Joey=100 pounds and a .046 jet.

I am not opposed to the a .044 jet. With one stage we have yet to see improvement after a certain size. Maybe with time we will.

And really, what does Joey weigh now? Is he right on the number at the scales?


Robin

bbnova
10-02-2008, 09:07 AM
Joey is at weight. So I have to assume that is correct.

Sounds like you need to open up those runners to allow that extra NOS in.....:D

Pat Powers
10-02-2008, 09:08 AM
I said this....
"Why not add another 50 pounds to the canted valve small block and leave the jet at a .046?"

What do you think about that?

Now would that allow someone to run a canted valve head on a engine that never came that way? Like the SBC or the LS engines?
It's going to get interesting if we start to see Pro Stock truck heads on 440 cubic inch small blocks.
Sorry Pat but in those cases the 50 pounds would not be enough.

Robin

Sorry Robin, didn't see you put that in there.

These are just requests, nothing put in stone, but if it needs to be 100lbs, and a .046 jet, then I'm still ok with that.

Pat

bbnova
10-02-2008, 09:51 AM
I see 2 issues here I would like to address...


1) Is 50 lbs ok for the canted valve head???

2) 50 more pounds on the BB combo???

klafferty
10-02-2008, 10:01 AM
Yes I have tested with the plate and it does show to be better on my car but no luck with Jeff C. yet... I ran the same numbers with a .064 pill verses .030 pill (plate verses fogger)...
I also think that only bb 530ci. & bb 632ci. should have same base weight not sb combo...
I also agree on letting sbc canted valve head in with a canted valve weight penalty that covers both ford and chevy...
The inline valve head should not have to suffer the penalty as it can not make the power that the canted valve can...
Adding 150lbs to the 530 combo is going to slow it down about a tenth...
Giving the conventional head another 50lbs that puts Widener within 5 hundreths of where he is now...
I guess the question is how much more power is the canted valve sb head worth over the inline head and my guess would be at least 100hp. minimum...
So what is 100hp worth in weight?
If you add 100 lbs for canted valve head and leeve base weight alone thats a good starting piont...
Add 150lbs to 530 combo base and that brings the base to 3200lbs...
After 3 races in 09 everything is up for reveiw and if everyone gives honest opinons make adjustments at that point...
I think the power leval is fine where they are at now...
For the record the 632 combos lost about 7 hundeths with the hit from 07 rules...
the problem is that no one with the small blocks or the 530ci could get their combo figured out it had nothing to do with the capability if that combo and that is what has to be in consideration here...
It's not how fast you are , It's how fast is that combo capable of going...
I may be a lil short with 100lbs for the canted valve head but its a good starting point...

Jim Widener
10-02-2008, 10:13 AM
That doesn't make much sense you're going to add 50lb but you give back the 46jet whats that going to change.

bbnova
10-02-2008, 10:14 AM
Good thoughts!!!!!

That what we're looking for.

By the way, if you leave me a message to call, answer your phone:D

bbnova
10-02-2008, 10:30 AM
Widner was almost 3100 lbs when he went the 7.41. If there is nothing left in that combo, 200 more lbs would slow him around 0.17. Too much in my opinion. Like I siad if that is everything hes got. Are you proposing giving him his .046 jet back and making having him weigh more? If so, with a .046 jet I would think more like 150 lbs or a base weight of 3150.lbs.

Jim???

bbnova
10-02-2008, 10:40 AM
I'm thinking 100lbs hit any manufacturer.

Gary Rohe
10-02-2008, 10:42 AM
Widner was almost 3100 lbs when he went the 7.41. If there is nothing left in that combo, 200 more lbs would slow him around 0.17. Too much in my opinion. Like I siad if that is everything hes got. Are you proposing giving him his .046 jet back and making having him weigh more? If so, with a .046 jet I would think more like 150 lbs or a base weight of 3150.lbs.

Jim???
Where are you coming up with 3100 lbs. i know for a fact he was never that heavy. it was more like 2990. Please get the correct facts before posting or these rules will be so screwed up nobody is going to want to race.

BBNovaChris
10-02-2008, 10:42 AM
fyi, pretty sure widener was 2990 at the 7.41

Gary Rohe
10-02-2008, 10:47 AM
Why was the jet size for the plate left the same on the when the jet for the fogger was reduced from a 32 to a 30 on the 632 combo? the current 69 jet is equivilent to a 34.5 size in a fogger, i hope this gets looked at and corrected also.

BBNovaChris
10-02-2008, 11:03 AM
Why was the jet size for the plate left the same on the when the jet for the fogger was reduced from a 32 to a 30 on the 632 combo? the current 69 jet is equivilent to a 34.5 size in a fogger, i hope this gets looked at and corrected also.

FYI, not 1 car in any event has shown the plate to be any advantage. Not saying it doesn't need to be looked at, but there are people running it and no body is showing anything with it so far.

bbnova
10-02-2008, 11:08 AM
You could have frased that a bit better!!!!! I have been working my ass off on this. You hav no idea how much of my time I have devoted to making this thing better for this class!!! For you to come on here and act like such a **** is not appreciated!!!!!



I'm SORRY!!!!, it was a typo. If you do the math in my thread adding 150lbs and goes to 3150, what I meant to type was 3100. And yes it was like 2990.


Where are you coming up with 3100 lbs. i know for a fact he was never that heavy. it was more like 2990. Please get the correct facts before posting or these rules will be so screwed up nobody is going to want to race.

mrsbbnova
10-02-2008, 11:18 AM
Where are you coming up with 3100 lbs. i know for a fact he was never that heavy. it was more like 2990. Please get the correct facts before posting or these rules will be so screwed up nobody is going to want to race.

they are suggestions that are being presented for input and discussion.So that no one is blind sided,and everyone has the opportunity to speak there minds before a final write up is done and given to the nmca for review and decision. A enormous amount of time and effort to be fare is being made here no need for anyone to get hot under the collar just say what you feel constructively.
Please and thank you

CAMARO 69
10-02-2008, 11:21 AM
So in my case I could run a 477 bb conventional head at 2850 with a 44 jet in the fogger. Also whats the deal with sheetmetal manifolds legal for all combos, is that correct or is that only for n/a combos as the sentence before states for n2o combos must be cast intake a little confused.

bbnova
10-02-2008, 11:28 AM
For sheet metal for any combo. Thanks for pointing that out. I will fix it.

mrsbbnova
10-02-2008, 11:47 AM
Kevin's phone is ringing off the hook with people with questions or suggestions this is a lot of information for one person to retain .So if you talk to him and have suggestion or question please put them in writing here as well so he has something to reference when inputting new ideas into the rules. so nothing is over looked.
thanks everyone

BBNovaChris
10-02-2008, 11:54 AM
Our #1 rule around the office here.....


No good deed goes unpunished

Gary Rohe
10-02-2008, 12:06 PM
You could have frased that a bit better!!!!! I have been working my ass off on this. You hav no idea how much of my time I have devoted to making this thing better for this class!!! For you to come on here and act like such a **** is not appreciated!!!!!



I'm SORRY!!!!, it was a typo. If you do the math in my thread adding 150lbs and goes to 3150, what I meant to type was 3100. And yes it was like 2990.

I am not being an a** i am just stating facts. i know you are putting a lot of time in all of this, but from everything that i have read on here you are trying to get the rules to fit your combo and your combo only and the h*** with everyone else. The rules seemed pretty close throughout the year, why penalize people who work hard with there combo and make it go fast. i don't think that you want Bischoff to biuld a purpose built 632 for this class. You think the rules are unfair now wait until someone comes out with a purpose built 632 to go along with the 530 then what is everyone gonna cry about. Sorry about the rant guys but all this crying is stupid bulls*** work on your stuff to make it better. It doesn't get any faster by typing on here all day.

bbnova
10-02-2008, 12:10 PM
Come on in the waters fine!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Now how bout some constructive posts......

bbnova
10-02-2008, 12:16 PM
After spending all day on the phone listening to everyone and taking advice I made some changes. 530 and 480 BB combos were affected. You got your .046 jet back, but now you would run at 3100 lbs. Are you ok with that?


SB combos, I added a canted head valve head weight hit of 100 lbs. Are you ok with that?


Give your input but please be respectfull when posting.

BBNovaChris
10-02-2008, 12:30 PM
I am not being an a** i am just stating facts. i know you are putting a lot of time in all of this, but from everything that i have read on here you are trying to get the rules to fit your combo and your combo only and the h*** with everyone else. The rules seemed pretty close throughout the year, why penalize people who work hard with there combo and make it go fast. i don't think that you want Bischoff to biuld a purpose built 632 for this class. You think the rules are unfair now wait until someone comes out with a purpose built 632 to go along with the 530 then what is everyone gonna cry about. Sorry about the rant guys but all this crying is stupid bulls*** work on your stuff to make it better. It doesn't get any faster by typing on here all day.



Wow dude.


Kevin kept his mouth shut during the meeting, let everyone have their say, wrote it down on a piece of paper, and then typed it here. And then you post this?



wow. just wow.




i'm truly amazed.

Jim Widener
10-02-2008, 12:45 PM
I thought we agreed at the meeting in atlanta and per are phone conversation that the conventional head was a 150 deduct.You could make 125-150 more hp with a big chief style head.which would you rather have?

Gary Rohe
10-02-2008, 12:55 PM
Wow dude.


Kevin kept his mouth shut during the meeting, let everyone have their say, wrote it down on a piece of paper, and then typed it here. And then you post this?



wow. just wow.




i'm truly amazed.
Sorry if I am being harsh but that is the reality of it. Only a few little rules need to be tweaked to make everyone competative in this class and you are suggesting on basicaly trying to rewrite the whole rulebook to fit your car the best, not rules that will benifit the whole class for the series sake. This class has the best car count in the series and really doesn't need to be changed a lot. Just leave a good thing alone - don't fix it if isn't broken, just tweak it to make it better not being rude or hateful thats just my thoughts on the situation as a chassis builder.

bbnova
10-02-2008, 01:03 PM
How about a constructive post. Don't take this as being rude but you have posted a a few times and not offered up anything. I am personally at a loss here. I am being pulled in a thousand different directions from everyone and thought I was making headway with as minumal amount of changes that was needed to give parity to the class. Where did we, the NPS competitors go wrong with or thinking here?????

What would you do to give parity to the class Gary????

Knowing the following.

The 530 combo has gone 7.41
The sb combo has gone 7.42 or 7.43.
There is currently no weight hit for the big chief head on the 530 bb combo. We also got rid of a few rules that really didn't matter in our opinion.
There were a few other rules that where tweaked such as the hit for a clutch.

bbnova
10-02-2008, 01:08 PM
You don't know me from Atom. I am the most honest and sincere guy you will meet. As my brother posted earlier, I just took notes and kept the meeting moving in a contructive direction in Atlanta. These changes were given to me by the competitors. When you say I am writing these to make "MY" car the fastest, that is furtherst thing from the truth!!!! Just ask Jim as you guys seem to know each other. So please get your facts straight before you go on the attack!!!!!!

BBNovaChris
10-02-2008, 01:09 PM
Sorry if I am being harsh but that is the reality of it. Only a few little rules need to be tweaked to make everyone competative in this class and you are suggesting on basicaly trying to rewrite the whole rulebook to fit your car the best, not rules that will benifit the whole class for the series sake. This class has the best car count in the series and really doesn't need to be changed a lot. Just leave a good thing alone - don't fix it if isn't broken, just tweak it to make it better not being rude or hateful thats just my thoughts on the situation as a chassis builder.


That's the thing, Kevin didn't say anything. All of the NPS racers got together in Atlanta, had their say, Kevin didn't really say anything. Kevin wrote down what everyone else said, and wrote it here.

Why are you killing the messenger? These aren't HIS suggestions, it's every NPS racer that was at the race in Atlanta suggestions. I understand the point you are trying to make, but these came from the class as a whole.

If anything, I've made more suggestions than Kevin. So yell at me. I suggested using math and physics then explore what should be done. Talk to separate engine builders and get their take, and then decide what should be done.

The rules you are reading came from everyone else talking about it, then coming to some sort of consensus.

Gary Rohe
10-02-2008, 01:22 PM
How about a constructive post. Don't take this as being rude but you have posted a a few times and not offered up anything. I am personally at a loss here. I am being pulled in a thousand different directions from everyone and thought I was making headway with as minumal amount of changes that was needed to give parity to the class. Where did we, the NPS competitors go wrong with or thinking here?????

What would you do to give parity to the class Gary????

Knowing the following.

The 530 combo has gone 7.41
The sb combo has gone 7.42 or 7.43.
There is currently no weight hit for the big chief head on the 530 bb combo. We also got rid of a few rules that really didn't matter in our opinion.
There were a few other rules that where tweaked such as the hit for a clutch. Hold up.... How come when I make a suggestion or have some constructive critisim I come off as an arrogant a** that is being rude??? Nothing I said was rude to anyone or anybody in fact, Kevin called me an A** first........ hummmmmmm???????? WTF?????? You really need to lay off I am just trying to help and give my thoughts and suggestions to this thread that you started if you don't like the suggestions that people are giving you on here , maybe you shouldn't have asked people for there opinions. Not trying to be a jerk at all guys really I'm not. I am just stating the facts.

bbnova
10-02-2008, 01:28 PM
This is post like 1000 from you with no content!!!!! If you wish to contribute to this thread then post something. If not, there are other boards that may be better suited for your banter.

What have you added???

Gary Rohe
10-02-2008, 01:35 PM
I think the jet rules need to stay where they are except for the plate on the 632 combo. it needs to be reduced so that the square inch area of the jet is the same as the fogger jet which is currently a 30.
The weights are not far off from being correct to keep parity in my opinion. maybe 50lbs off of the 632 combo and keep everything else the same. if the weight penalty for the sheetmetal is removed i believe that would be a big mistake especially for the small ci big block combo, they would be pretty d*** fast. add 50 lbs for the sheetmetal in the small block combo. i think they can go faster than what are are going but they are never gonna live with a 46 jet.
the last thing is get rid of the weight penalty for the core support , its pretty stupid to have it. there is no performance advantage wether its there or not.
just my thoughts:)

bbnova
10-02-2008, 01:54 PM
Rule in Atlanta. Charlie wanted someone to walk up to our cars and see a mor or less stock looking engine comparment filled with goodies. It is currently at 100 lbs. We put it down to 25lbs so anyone thinking about it might decide agaainst it. I personally think the 25 lbs will not stop people from doing it but Charlie wanted to keep it that way, so we decided on 25 lbs more as a token weight.


I uderstand what you think on the plate jet change. No one has proven the advantage of it yet so Charlie thoughts were to keep it the same until someone proves it to be an advantage. Also, you cannot just say make the total square area of teh jets teh same. You need to flow each system and weigh the bottles after the test. The bottle weight is the difference.

The nos/632 conbo cannot compete with the 530/nos combo nor the svb combo as the rules are. Until a 632/nos combo can prove to go faster, the class feels it best to to bring the other combos to the times the nos/632 combo runs. the reason for bringing the other combos to teh 632 times is Charlie doesn't wants the classes to run into each other. Pro Street rund 6.50's, Super Street runs 7.0'2 and we are currently running 7.50's...

Without going to rules right now, I think the sb combo currently gets teh sheetmetal????

Thanks fro the thoughts, If we are flawed in our thinking and you think differently, I would appreciate more input.

NMCA Scott
10-02-2008, 06:24 PM
I am taking Johnny Baio off of the Sheriff’s Most Wanted list. He has served his time and is now allowed to post here once again. Just so you all know, if you try and bait him, I’ll boot you. Johnny, if you so much as even make me feel like you’re being a prick to anyone on this board, you’re gone for good. All of you can make your points without being disrespectful.

bbnova
10-02-2008, 07:05 PM
:d:d:d.............

Rocket
10-03-2008, 04:56 AM
I think you guys have lost your minds....

The class is drawing an average of ..what?...9 cars?????

And you want to make whole sale changes??? to a class where the E.T.'s are about .05 hundreths different?...then all the NMCA classes would need to change if that were the case, I've read this post and it is totally biased towards the 632 combo's...and will push other combo's out, as of last PRI you folks want to give Shroeder about a 100 lb weight break? what is that?, and yet still penalize a core support that has no performance advantage????

As of this up coming PRI, this will make the (8th) rules change in 3 complete racing seasons. While I enjoyed the class for 2 seasons, the '07 rules appealed to me from a complete parity of all combo's standpoint, as well as racer participation, economy has beat it up a bit, but just look at the Superbowl, and figure out why you only drew half the cars in Milan.....do you really think about $80.00 extra in round trip fuel money was the reason "they" didn't follow to Milan? Constant bickering and rules changes are wiping this class out I have spoken to several since we are friends and THAT is the reason.

Making attractive rules for racers to WANT to enter the class should be priority. I feel what was a low 7.40 to a high 7.30 class in '07...has become a future bracket class in '08, and that won't work long term. The NMCA is at this point stuck on a 7.50 number, but some give and take has to happen for car counts to increase....fuel and hotel prices are here to stay, so...either the racers have to accept shoddy rules for a 7.50 class, or the NMCA will have to concede somewhat on that issue.

In '06 Tony Nebitt went 7.44 and car counts increased in '07 so I'm not sold on the class being to fast I feel the '07 rules if left alone would of peaked with a e.t. of 7.35-7.40

GTMADNS
10-03-2008, 06:44 AM
I think you guys have lost your minds....

The class is drawing an average of ..what?...9 cars?????

And you want to make whole sale changes??? to a class where the E.T.'s are about .05 hundreths different?...then all the NMCA classes would need to change if that were the case, I've read this post and it is totally biased towards the 632 combo's...and will push other combo's out, as of last PRI you folks want to give Shroeder about a 100 lb weight break? what is that?, and yet still penalize a core support that has no performance advantage????

As of this up coming PRI, this will make the (8th) rules change in 3 complete racing seasons. While I enjoyed the class for 2 seasons, the '07 rules appealed to me from a complete parity of all combo's standpoint, as well as racer participation, economy has beat it up a bit, but just look at the Superbowl, and figure out why you only drew half the cars in Milan.....do you really think about $80.00 extra in round trip fuel money was the reason "they" didn't follow to Milan? Constant bickering and rules changes are wiping this class out I have spoken to several since we are friends and THAT is the reason.

Making attractive rules for racers to WANT to enter the class should be priority. I feel what was a low 7.40 to a high 7.30 class in '07...has become a future bracket class in '08, and that won't work long term. The NMCA is at this point stuck on a 7.50 number, but some give and take has to happen for car counts to increase....fuel and hotel prices are here to stay, so...either the racers have to accept shoddy rules for a 7.50 class, or the NMCA will have to concede somewhat on that issue.

In '06 Tony Nebitt went 7.44 and car counts increased in '07 so I'm not sold on the class being to fast I feel the '07 rules if left alone would of peaked with a e.t. of 7.35-7.40

Baio,
that was the most constructive post without bashing I have ever seen you post. Hope to see you out next seson with your car.
Bob

bbnova
10-03-2008, 07:01 AM
Your numbers however are inacurate. The 530 combo curenntly has a tenth advantage over the 632 combo. The small block combo currently has the same advantage. There also needs to be something put into the rules for the big chief combo as that combo would definately dominate. You make the things we are talking about sound like you have to build a new car or a new motor because of what we are talking about. All that is happening here is trying to make things even. Please stop talking negatively about this as if we are asking for the world.


Here are the numbers that were run this year.

Widner 7.41
Bucarro 7.42 or 7.43 I think they said
Most of the 632's 7.50 to low 7.50's

These are the facts that we are using to dermine what tweaks to make.

bbnova
10-03-2008, 07:43 AM
I would like to make the non big chief the base weight for the BB with the exception of the 632 and make a big chief a weight adder. Any thoughts???


Somehow I think we need to get a 150 lbs on the big chief over the non big chief head.

CAMARO 69
10-03-2008, 08:07 AM
The convential head needs at least a 150 lb. weight break I know that u can make at least 200 more hp with the big chief style head. Jim what are you thoughts on this? Johnny Baio I agree the rules are becoming a sticking point, make them simple and keep them the same if people don't like the rules they can either adjust their cars or they will race elsewhere. Thats what I will do if the rules don't appeal to me and my combo.No bickering just stating what I think.

GTMADNS
10-03-2008, 08:14 AM
Asking the group, will there be a deduct for a small block with cast intake and 1 carb? We all know that a fabricated intake and 2 carbs are worth at least 100-150 hp. Can we give a 100 # weight brake for that combo since it will also be getting hit with a 100#'s for a canted head adder of 100#'s to the base weight?

Second, can we address the big block ford head issue. A factory head, yates head, profiler bbf head are all below 11 degree valve angle. Is this combo an excetion to the 11 degree rule?

Let hear what the group thinks.

bbnova
10-03-2008, 08:16 AM
What we don't want is people being discouraged that are already racing. You can bang your head so many times before you say enough. We are trying to simplify the rules and at the same time bring partiy. I agree with you on the 150 lbs on the big chief. My heart ache here is do we say the big chief is the base weight and the standard head gets 150 off or do we say the standard head is the base and add 150 lbs for the big chief???

If we say the big chief is the base weight then I think it has to 3250 for a base weight with a 46 pill. Then Widner will weigh 3250 minus 150 for the head to equal 3100 with a .046 pill.

If we say the standard head is the base weight then we satrt at 3100 with a .046 pill and add 150 for the big chief.

You guys give some input and I will change it.

Robin
10-03-2008, 09:12 AM
Asking the group, will there be a deduct for a small block with cast intake and 1 carb? We all know that a fabricated intake and 2 carbs are worth at least 100-150 hp. Can we give a 100 # weight brake for that combo since it will also be getting hit with a 100#'s for a canted head adder of 100#'s to the base weight?

Second, can we address the big block ford head issue. A factory head, yates head, profiler bbf head are all below 11 degree valve angle. Is this combo an excetion to the 11 degree rule?

Let hear what the group thinks.

Good points Bob.


Robin

bbnova
10-03-2008, 09:16 AM
If anyone has any concerns about this, please speak up as I will be adding this. I think this rule may make for a bigger car count...



Asking the group, will there be a deduct for a small block with cast intake and 1 carb? We all know that a fabricated intake and 2 carbs are worth at least 100-150 hp. Can we give a 100 # weight brake for that combo since it will also be getting hit with a 100#'s for a canted head adder of 100#'s to the base weight?

Second, can we address the big block ford head issue. A factory head, yates head, profiler bbf head are all below 11 degree valve angle. Is this combo an excetion to the 11 degree rule?

Let hear what the group thinks.

klafferty
10-03-2008, 10:37 AM
Good to hear from ya lil Johnny...
Johnny does have some good points the only problem is that with Tony Bischoff building a nice high end big chief 530ci. you have a mid 7.20 car...
So where does that put you and everyone eles in the class Johnny????????
Jim has run 7.41 @3000lbs with a conventional head Johnny...
You have run 7.47 @2925lbs with a nice high end big chief piece.....
Can you please explain to Charlie why you need so much jet and such a light car and couldnt run the numbers thats capable of that combo...

GTMADNS
10-03-2008, 10:43 AM
Good points Bob.


Robin


Thanks Robin.

Gary Rohe
10-03-2008, 11:06 AM
I think you guys have lost your minds....

The class is drawing an average of ..what?...9 cars?????

And you want to make whole sale changes??? to a class where the E.T.'s are about .05 hundreths different?...then all the NMCA classes would need to change if that were the case, I've read this post and it is totally biased towards the 632 combo's...and will push other combo's out, as of last PRI you folks want to give Shroeder about a 100 lb weight break? what is that?, and yet still penalize a core support that has no performance advantage????

As of this up coming PRI, this will make the (8th) rules change in 3 complete racing seasons. While I enjoyed the class for 2 seasons, the '07 rules appealed to me from a complete parity of all combo's standpoint, as well as racer participation, economy has beat it up a bit, but just look at the Superbowl, and figure out why you only drew half the cars in Milan.....do you really think about $80.00 extra in round trip fuel money was the reason "they" didn't follow to Milan? Constant bickering and rules changes are wiping this class out I have spoken to several since we are friends and THAT is the reason.

Making attractive rules for racers to WANT to enter the class should be priority. I feel what was a low 7.40 to a high 7.30 class in '07...has become a future bracket class in '08, and that won't work long term. The NMCA is at this point stuck on a 7.50 number, but some give and take has to happen for car counts to increase....fuel and hotel prices are here to stay, so...either the racers have to accept shoddy rules for a 7.50 class, or the NMCA will have to concede somewhat on that issue.

In '06 Tony Nebitt went 7.44 and car counts increased in '07 so I'm not sold on the class being to fast I feel the '07 rules if left alone would of peaked with a e.t. of 7.35-7.40

great post!

bbnova
10-03-2008, 12:07 PM
I'm done!!!!

Leave the rules as is.

I refuse to put any more of my time and energy into this....

Jim Widener
10-03-2008, 12:14 PM
Don't get all mad remember this isn't rules set in stone it's just everyones opinion of what they feel should be done.None of us have a final say in it anyway it will be up to the nmca.Everyone realizes you put a lot of time into this by choice.You can't let everthing everyone says rattle you.


Smile it's friday:D

CAMARO 69
10-03-2008, 12:36 PM
My personal opinion is that we all need to stay away from the 3200lb area as the cars are going to continue to get faster. If you stay below 3200 then the 25.2 car will be legal and no more problems with the NHRA b.s. Also if the class is tight now, why change, maybe tweaks but nothing major. Myself I'd like the rules to stay pretty steady then all you have to do is make your stuff run and not reinvent the combo. What about a contract for rules, say 3 to 5 years at a time with the org. the only ones to possibly change them for parity purposes only. I think we all agree this is and could be a truly killer class if it is close and no one single combe runs away from the rest.

klafferty
10-03-2008, 02:43 PM
Kevin you have done a great job and i think everyone really appreciate the effort that you have put into this project...
I hate that you have to throw the towell in but I see your point...
Ok lil Johnny go back to the 07 rules , are you coming to race or not???
I would guess not being as that you will be NO WHERE CLOSE to being competitive with your 7.50 @178mph pig!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Come on back lil Johnny the water will be real hot in 09...

klafferty
10-03-2008, 02:55 PM
I vote go back to the 07 rules and lets see who has the big balls...
I would almost bet the farm that lil Johnny will not even come play!!!!!!!
Thats what you call ALL MOUTH.....
Jim Widener , Jeff Colletta , Joey B. , will make you look like a real dum a$$...
All you have to do is show up big boy with your 07 rules...
Remember this , the rules apply for everyone...

mrsbbnova
10-03-2008, 03:44 PM
So I'm sure that Kevin's efforts are appreciated by some, but the fact of the matter is, he is the only 632 that has been wiling to actively put his neck out and take the beating by everyone that doesn't agree with the effort or wont benefit from it .
No one else running the combo has anything or very very little to say, it appears that he is the only 632 that has a big issue with the rules as they stand.
So rather than be left in the light of being viewed as being the guy pulling a "Baio" {because he has been referred to as that several times already} he is just gonna let it go and he will just follow through with whatever he is given for rules.
Sorry for wasting everyone's time we were just trying to help out not "OUR" combo but a piece of Nostalgia Pro Street we felt was important.Kevin has been running this class from the time it was born, all intentions were good ones.

mrsbbnova
10-03-2008, 05:44 PM
I just wanted to add a THANK YOU for all your input and help and suggestions ,we've appreciated it!

Rocket
10-03-2008, 06:07 PM
I vote go back to the 07 rules and lets see who has the big balls...
I would almost bet the farm that lil Johnny will not even come play!!!!!!!
Thats what you call ALL MOUTH.....
Jim Widener , Jeff Colletta , Joey B. , will make you look like a real dum a$$...
All you have to do is show up big boy with your 07 rules...
Remember this , the rules apply for everyone...

BOY!!!
............You get the rules back to '07 and I would not only be impressed, but sponsor the class!!!!....hehehehe.... in all seriousness, those were the most fair rules I have ever ran as I've stated before.

Let me refresh Kevin Parents memory..........

Remember the NSCA??????...you and I ran NPS over there, now those were the top of the line rules!!!!!, there were no cyl. head rules , and unlimited jet for the small inch stuff and the 632 guys got a .034 jet :eek:

As I lobbied the... NMCA..... for this combo, I asked to just cut and paste the original ...NSCA....rules and lets roll, but these folks definately dance to some sort of tune I just can't figure out...be it as it may... they came up with their own rules , sort of a take off of the NSCA's NPS rules but definatley too far to the left...after a few tweeks I felt we were in bussiness long term ,'till last PRI, and at this point the rules are so whacked, it will take a few years for new blood to filter in...if it ever does.

Kenny you through E.T.'s around like they are sewer covers, the 530 is not going to run 7.20's...., the power cant be made to run that fast with a .048 jet let alone a .046....and before you open your mouth ...remember I have run this style of an engine for quite along time, and if I couldn't get it to go that fast ...noone is, now...
If you want to bet on this, show me ...who...what..where...there is ANYONE running this 530 combo, and show me where they have went faster than 7.40?????????

You can call any engine builder and I bet you can't find 2 that have built...or are building a 530 inch single carb, single stage of nitrous engine that ran, or will run sub 7.40's...and you can't do it either...otherwise Jeff or you would have one....but I bet I could take your engine and go faster than 7.49!...hehehehe

klafferty
10-03-2008, 07:00 PM
If the rules stay as they are now Jeff C will have a 530ci. for 09...
I just wish you would come back play with us lil Johnny...
WE NEED A PUNCHING BAG......

Rocket
10-03-2008, 08:18 PM
If the rules stay as they are now Jeff C will have a 530ci. for 09...
I just wish you would come back play with us lil Johnny...
WE NEED A PUNCHING BAG......

...Kenny, the last time you came to get you some of this... you were getting beat for $2500.00...........remember? :D

klafferty
10-04-2008, 01:07 AM
Johnny everyone gets lucky sometime but if you think you will beat me or colleta on a regular basis you are sadley mistaking my friend , I would personaly give you an invite back to racing NPS...
You're not coming back and you know it...

Rocket
10-04-2008, 05:40 AM
Well you are probably right, we are a bit too far along on the 10.5 deal to worry about NPS....but it was awesome for the short time it was exciting don't ya think?

klafferty
10-04-2008, 09:26 AM
You always make it exciting I guess thats what people want to read...
Are you coming to Memphis to spectate??
We are getting in there thursday mourning to do some testing...
Come on down and hang out...

susie
10-04-2008, 01:34 PM
Guys I do not mean to get off of topic here but can everyone please RSVP if they are going to me in Memphis on Friday for the BBQ.... the only NPS drivers that have RSVP'd are Jim Widner, Kevin and Robin. It would really help if we know how many people are there so that we can make sure that there is enough food and beverages for everyone... thanks. smcurran@sbcglobal.net

klafferty
10-04-2008, 05:49 PM
Susie give me a call please... 225-279-9182
THANKS !

Rocket
10-06-2008, 03:42 PM
Your numbers however are inacurate. The 530 combo curenntly has a tenth advantage over the 632 combo. The small block combo currently has the same advantage. There also needs to be something put into the rules for the big chief combo as that combo would definately dominate. You make the things we are talking about sound like you have to build a new car or a new motor because of what we are talking about. All that is happening here is trying to make things even. Please stop talking negatively about this as if we are asking for the world.


Here are the numbers that were run this year.

Widner 7.41
Bucarro 7.42 or 7.43 I think they said
Most of the 632's 7.50 to low 7.50's

These are the facts that we are using to dermine what tweaks to make.

Kevin...nice cover up...

Some of these 632 cars are at the 191 mph...even at 3250 lbs. plus in weight that is a low 7.40 e.t.

Jack Bore went a 1.09 '60ft from my notes, and never went a 191 mph even with a .032, now while Colletta's car has went 7.49 and a 1.12, what would it run if it went a 1.09????, How fast have you '60 footed?...I bet no where near 1.09.... alot of "crying" needs to stop and alot of "work" needs to be happening to get the full potential out of the combo's before more rules changes...especially since there is a half of tenth only between the 2 combo's.

mrsbbnova
10-07-2008, 04:18 AM
that coming from the "biggest cry baby in the play pen", interesting .
And if "you" were keeping up with "current" events you wouldn't be addressing Kevin on this topic any longer.
This topic wouldn't even be an issue if not for "your crying".

BBNovaChris
10-07-2008, 12:14 PM
Kevin...nice cover up...

Some of these 632 cars are at the 191 mph...even at 3250 lbs. plus in weight that is a low 7.40 e.t.

Jack Bore went a 1.09 '60ft from my notes, and never went a 191 mph even with a .032, now while Colletta's car has went 7.49 and a 1.12, what would it run if it went a 1.09????, How fast have you '60 footed?...I bet no where near 1.09.... alot of "crying" needs to stop and alot of "work" needs to be happening to get the full potential out of the combo's before more rules changes...especially since there is a half of tenth only between the 2 combo's.


Last I checked, we race for E.T. Not MPH.


Did the rules change?!!!! :eek::eek::eek:

Rocket
10-07-2008, 05:24 PM
Last I checked, we race for E.T. Not MPH.


Did the rules change?!!!! :eek::eek::eek:

Maybe if you worked on that car as much as you worry about who's posting on the boards it would go faster in the first 60 feet, I raced it enough to know those 1.16 's 'aint 'gonna cut it..........:D

BBNovaChris
10-07-2008, 05:34 PM
1.16 was so long ago I don't remember. nice try though! ;)


and where was I worrying about who's posting and on which board? :D

Rocket
10-08-2008, 11:16 AM
1.16 was so long ago I don't remember. nice try though! ;)


and where was I worrying about who's posting and on which board? :D

....you boys went 1.16 against Wiedener THIS YEAR!!! .... and that won't cut it, when Colletta's been 1.12??....:D

BBNovaChris
10-08-2008, 11:30 AM
....you boys went 1.16 against Wiedener THIS YEAR!!! .... and that won't cut it, when Colletta's been 1.12??....:D

Quit living in the past man.

Over 5 years ago the Novas 60' was 1.13
http://www.bbnovaracing.com/gallery/main.php?cmd=imageview&var1=2003+Race+Season%2FSLIP.JPG

We've made a ton of changes this year, and there's a lot of 632's chasing us now, if not all. We have no 60' issues. We're very competitive with 60' times with 632s. Also, our MPH is approaching 190.

Go get your car back together and come play with the big boys. Or as Lafferty said, are you scared? Lots of people have your old combo figured out and smoking your old times.

Or maybe you just don't have what it takes anymore?! :cool: :p :D

Rocket
10-08-2008, 11:58 AM
Quit living in the past man.

Over 5 years ago the Novas 60' was 1.13
http://www.bbnovaracing.com/gallery/main.php?cmd=imageview&var1=2003+Race+Season%2FSLIP.JPG

We've made a ton of changes this year, and there's a lot of 632's chasing us now, if not all. We have no 60' issues. We're very competitive with 60' times with 632s. Also, our MPH is approaching 190.

Go get your car back together and come play with the big boys. Or as Lafferty said, are you scared? Lots of people have your old combo figured out and smoking your old times.

Or maybe you just don't have what it takes anymore?! :cool: :p :D


Lot's of people have my combo figured out????.....hmmmm

Noone has has went 7.40....

My last race with NPS was a 7.47 in Atlanta and a year later this combo has went a 7.41 in Atlanta...and that is smoking my old times?????....

....sure what ever you say:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

bbnova
10-08-2008, 12:37 PM
The more you type, the more ignorant you sound!!!!!!!!!


I would be willing to bet Jeff C. and Kenny L. will both be 7.30's with the 530 combo next year. The problem is, nobody currently running it has enough expertise to tune the car correctly.

Unfortunately, I don't have the funds to rebuild or I would be out next year along with Jeff and Kenny making the rest of the field look silly!!!!!!:D

BBNovaChris
10-08-2008, 02:06 PM
Lot's of people have my combo figured out????.....hmmmm

Noone has has went 7.40....

My last race with NPS was a 7.47 in Atlanta and a year later this combo has went a 7.41 in Atlanta...and that is smoking my old times?????....

....sure what ever you say:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

7.47 into the wall? wow. that is impressive! ;)

Jim Widener
10-08-2008, 03:37 PM
The more you type, the more ignorant you sound!!!!!!!!!


I would be willing to bet Jeff C. and Kenny L. will both be 7.30's with the 530 combo next year. The problem is, nobody currently running it has enough expertise to tune the car correctly.

Unfortunately, I don't have the funds to rebuild or I would be out next year along with Jeff and Kenny making the rest of the field look silly!!!!!!:D

SO WHAT ARE YOU TRYING TO SAY THAT YOU ARE SMARTER THAN ALL OF US COMON IF YOU HAD THE EXPERTISE AS YOU SAY THEN YOU WOULD BE RUNNING IN THE MID 7.40'S WITH YOU'R COMBO.I GUESS I'M JUST A STUPID GUY FROM INDIANA:mad:.

BBNovaChris
10-08-2008, 04:09 PM
i think he's saying if you'd put a different head on, you'd easily be in the 30's. and if he had the money, he'd be running what you run + different heads. and he's getting those numbers based off yer fast times! So the opposite of what you took it as.

Rocket
10-08-2008, 08:49 PM
7.47 into the wall? wow. that is impressive! ;)

No we qualified #1 and won the $2,500.00 Shoot out.....'ya know the race where I put you folks on the trailer in round one, in Milan....hehehehehehehe

Rocket
10-08-2008, 08:56 PM
The more you type, the more ignorant you sound!!!!!!!!!


I would be willing to bet Jeff C. and Kenny L. will both be 7.30's with the 530 combo next year. The problem is, nobody currently running it has enough expertise to tune the car correctly.

Unfortunately, I don't have the funds to rebuild or I would be out next year along with Jeff and Kenny making the rest of the field look silly!!!!!!:D

So all us 530 combo guys are just plain dumb huh??....yet NOONE has went as fast as myself or Wiedener with this combo...NOONE!!!, Now if you were as smart as you ...think... you are howcome you have never ran in the 7.40's ...EVER with the 632 combo you had, even with a .032 jet...and the answer is, you just 'aint got it ...sorry :eek:

Now while Kenny is good people...he has never won a single round of competition...Terry either for that matter, ...now if the 530 is so fast show us all how it's done, since noone has the expertise :rolleyes:

schmidtnps
10-09-2008, 05:58 AM
Hey Little Johnny Boy should you be in the super street thread!! All your talk is the
past.Either get your car ready for NPS and show us how is done or shut your pie HOLE!!!

bbnova
10-09-2008, 10:31 AM
Mike Schmidt is my hero

Rocket
10-09-2008, 10:44 AM
Hey Little Johnny Boy should you be in the super street thread!! All your talk is the
past.Either get your car ready for NPS and show us how is done or shut your pie HOLE!!!

...Well YOU of all people dun got schooled by 'lil Johnny ...didn't you?..:D

Most would say I did good in that class, the ONLY ONE I had constant trouble with was Tony Nesbitt.....


But I do 'gotta pull for my guy Wiedener.. that is all I am doing here, just hoping he continues to get a fair shot here....not that I have to explain anything to a loser like yourself Shitmitd

schmidtnps
10-09-2008, 11:01 AM
Grow up you liitle B. itch.As of schooling why dont you put weight in your car and come
race at the world street finals you little puss,What is going to be you excuse this time,
You leash from you wife a little short these days!! All the guys in NPS are all stand up guys except you.Cause all you can do if whine and cry till you get your way. I am
challange you to be in orlando at 3500lbs and lets see who is the B. itch is. I also
supported NMCA this year where are YOU!!!! I see your new class is the FORUM.
Whats wrong with that Orange Sled the rocket booster have come in yet. And if
I recall ORSCA is a different Forum. GET A LIFE!!!! And take Charlie of of speed dial.

BBNovaChris
10-09-2008, 12:57 PM
Grow up you liitle B. itch.As of schooling why dont you put weight in your car and come
race at the world street finals you little puss,What is going to be you excuse this time,
You leash from you wife a little short these days!! All the guys in NPS are all stand up guys except you.Cause all you can do if whine and cry till you get your way. I am
challange you to be in orlando at 3500lbs and lets see who is the B. itch is. I also
supported NMCA this year where are YOU!!!! I see your new class is the FORUM.
Whats wrong with that Orange Sled the rocket booster have come in yet. And if
I recall ORSCA is a different Forum. GET A LIFE!!!! And take Charlie of of speed dial.

whoa! little johnny got schooled again.

Class dismissed!

NMCA Scott
10-09-2008, 01:30 PM
Keep it on the up and up gentleman.

Marie B.
10-09-2008, 01:47 PM
And by the way Mr Schmidt, leave ME out of this! As well as all you other gentlemen!

~Marie B.~

Rocket
10-09-2008, 03:24 PM
Grow up you liitle B. itch.As of schooling why dont you put weight in your car and come
race at the world street finals you little puss,What is going to be you excuse this time,
You leash from you wife a little short these days!! All the guys in NPS are all stand up guys except you.Cause all you can do if whine and cry till you get your way. I am
challange you to be in orlando at 3500lbs and lets see who is the B. itch is. I also
supported NMCA this year where are YOU!!!! I see your new class is the FORUM.
Whats wrong with that Orange Sled the rocket booster have come in yet. And if
I recall ORSCA is a different Forum. GET A LIFE!!!! And take Charlie of of speed dial.


WOW!...I guess I'll have to figure out how to put 850 lbs. back in the car to be 3500 lbs.....drive 2100 miles ..... all just to wear your azz out like I did in NPS....hmmmm...I'll check my schedule and get back to you :rolleyes:


Or I could borrow a Ford Small Block Engine for NPS and be 2625 lbs. ....as the rules currently allow me to be, and make you want to go back into the closet that you just came out of.....:D

schmidtnps
10-09-2008, 04:15 PM
Bring your sled to Orlando,make it weigh 3500lbs and see if you can keep up.
Or are you scared.I know you will not have enough tissues to wipe your tears
off on the drive home.Thats right you cant cry to Charlie because its a outlaw
race.Why do you have to borrow a motor? put your NPS motor or Your ORSCA
motor in.I think you scared to get your ass handed to you by us bottom feeders.
BRING IT ON!!!! I think you need to go back into the closet where you been hiding.
And when do you wear my ass out?One Round you beat me.The last time I seen
you is when they where taking that shit box off the wall in Atlanta!!!Where have
you been since. CLOSET!!!!!!!!!! FORUM!!!!!!!

NMCA Scott
10-09-2008, 09:45 PM
I've locked this thread until after this race. Obviously this thing has gone downhill in a week.

Robin
10-13-2008, 09:27 AM
OK guys and gals I have re opened this tread. After this weekend I am sure that you will have more to add to the subject.

I am going to go back a few days and clean up anything that went over the line while we were gone last week.

Please keep it nice or it will be deleted.

Robin

GTMADNS
10-13-2008, 12:04 PM
So where does it stand now with rules. Will there be changes? or leave rules as they stand? Kevin, can you give us an update where it was left off with everything.
Thanks.

hdporter
10-13-2008, 11:32 PM
Crocket..you no longer have a say so in NPS you quiter...So start crying on the S/S page! Bail is now mind over matter...WE DONT MIND HIM CAUES HE DONT MATTER...............................Mike Radnis...Driver of the LRT NPS CAMARO...........

Robin
10-14-2008, 07:37 AM
I was disapointed that Kevin didn't continue with the rules proposal. I think there are some valid comments in this thread. Now that the season is over the fun begins. Please keep this civil so I don't have to delete any threads. Don't poke the former NPS racer either. He can play all he wants having been here done that.

Thanks

Robin

Rocket
10-14-2008, 09:13 AM
I was disapointed that Kevin didn't continue with the rules proposal. I think there are some valid comments in this thread. Now that the season is over the fun begins. Please keep this civil so I don't have to delete any threads. Don't poke the former NPS racer either. He can play all he wants having been here done that.

Thanks

Robin

Thanks Robin, ...it was fun,.... being there...doing that , especially schooling hdporter.. :D, but we are going to test S/S, but if the rules get out of shape in that class, our car won't be such that we couldn't revert back to NPS, we still have one NPS engine left..:eek:

However keep in mind that trying to hammer the smaller combinations will only drive those few that are left ..out...of the class and then there won't be a class, as was almost the case a few years ago...ask Charlie, this class was on the chopping block with car counts in the 5-6 car range, so this class does need variety, which was about 30% on the field in Memphis, I don't think it will ever be a complete 632 class

slow69
11-05-2008, 08:31 PM
hi my name is jason. i have a 532 bigblock and was thinking about racing with you guys in 2009.i read the rules but im not sure if i understand.does this mean i can only spray a 30 jet with a fogger.and if so i think this class might need some help.we all now a smaller cube motor with a 44/46 will go faster and for sure a 632 with a 30 jet.i see it says add 7 pounds per cube over 530 am i still only at a 30 jet . if so i guess i will just sell it all. way to many rules built around peoples cars. its sad a 532 is very common combo.i hope no one thinks im starting crap because im not.just looking for a place to race and call home.thanks again jason.1847-366-7785.

nmcajeff
11-06-2008, 03:23 PM
Per the 2008 rule book the under 530ci combination is limited to a .046 jet with a fogger.

slow69
11-06-2008, 07:31 PM
Per the 2008 rule book the under 530ci combination is limited to a .046 jet with a fogger.

so does this mean im out of luck sence i have a 532.does it mean i can only spray a 30 jet in the fogger.just looking for some answers.thanks jason

Pat Powers
12-10-2008, 06:24 PM
Wow, doesn't look like they are going to allow the Canted Valve Head for a SBC combo !

So much for submitting an "Official Request"

I could always put a SBF in it and be legal.......lol

Good luck to all you guys next year, would have been nice to race with ya !

Pat