Class parity....

[bbnova]

So is the NMCA gonna let the 632 die in this class??? It has been proven all year if you check the numbers that have been run, that the 632 cannot compete with the current rules. There needs to be changes made. The 530" combo needs to be slowed down a tenth and the SB combo needs to be slowed down a tenth and half. I am sure I am not the only one frustrated with the current rules. Any thought guys???

[klafferty]

I agree that the 632 combo needs some help to run with the .046 jet light wieght combo... But instead of complaining about the other combo Kevin why don't we just ask for help with our combo... Widener , Bucarro and Mcoy have worked hard and they deserve to be fast... I don't think they should change anything with the .046 jet combo's...
I think they should loose 200lbs off the 632 combo and give the .032 jet back...
It would solve a few problems with the class like the sfi rule for 1 and also a little more parity...

632ci. W/.032 jet makes about 1650 hp
530ci. W/.046 jet makes about 1650 hp
440ci.SB W/.046 jet makes about 1350 - 1400 hp (small block should get wieght break)

[bbnova]

Come on guys, a little more input please...

All these hits and no replies????

[bbnova]

If they did go that direction, I think your a little low on the hp numbers for the sb combo. I would be willing to bet Joey B. makes 1000hp on the motor. Now add 500 hp on nos giving that combo closer to 1500 hp.



I agree that the 632 combo needs some help to run with the .046 jet light wieght combo... But instead of complaining about the other combo Kevin why don't we just ask for help with our combo... Widener , Bucarro and Mcoy have worked hard and they deserve to be fast... I don't think they should change anything with the .046 jet combo's...
I think they should loose 200lbs off the 632 combo and give the .032 jet back...
It would solve a few problems with the class like the sfi rule for 1 and also a little more parity...

632ci. W/.032 jet makes about 1650 hp
530ci. W/.046 jet makes about 1650 hp
440ci.SB W/.046 jet makes about 1500 hp (small block should get a small weight break say 250-300 lbs)

[mrsbbnova]

What ever it takes to even up the playing field. Everyone goes out and works hard. I want to run with the top of the field and I want the rules to make that possible for my team. No racers wants to have their accomplishments looked upon by there peers as luck. A racer shouldn't have to depend on getting on the good side of the ladder or their competitor having something go wrong to catch a break. I don't know about you, but I want to be respected as a race team who is getting everything they can out of the car I run according to the rules we're to follow. We're not looking for an advantage over anyone, just looking for the same opportunity the other combos have to work with and win.

[bbnova]

Everyone is just going to read this and not post????

Lets see, Mika, Beeson, Nesbitt, Schmidt, Ricart, Schroeder, Gordon ???

Come on guys, you have nothing to add or say on this subject???? If you agree or don't, post something!!!!! I would like to hear what you have to say.

[Robin]

I think that the guys with the small blocks have worked hard to get where they are competitive. The rules changes over the winter have proven to give the small blocks a slight edge.
One thing that I hate about establishing "parity" is that it does nothing to promote hard work.

We have worked hard to get our combination where it is close to running some decent numbers. Now we have found where it wants to hurt parts.
We are now concentrating on getting quicker with 60' and trying to get the weight out of the car. We feel that is we can get those a little closer we can run in the low 60's and maybe go a round or two. If any changes are made to the rules on a real small block I think that it should only apply to the canted valve small blocks. We run a head with the valves in line and we cannot make the kind of power that the canted valves produce. Our current heads flow about 400 CFM. We are looking at others that might get us in the 420 range. As you know this is a far cry from the canted valve heads that are allowed on the Ford Combinations.
In heads up racing what matters is going rounds. From what I have noticed the small block combinations are fast but just haven't gone the rounds needed for wins.

Fire away boys.......

Robin

[Robin]

632ci. W/.032 jet makes about 1650 hp
530ci. W/.046 jet makes about 1650 hp
440ci.SB W/.046 jet makes about 1350 - 1400 hp (small block should get wieght break)

We can't get close to the weight now! LOL

Robin

[Jim Widener]

I agree that the 632 combo needs some help to run with the .046 jet light wieght combo... But instead of complaining about the other combo Kevin why don't we just ask for help with our combo... Widener , Bucarro and Mcoy have worked hard and they deserve to be fast... I don't think they should change anything with the .046 jet combo's...
I think they should loose 200lbs off the 632 combo and give the .032 jet back...
It would solve a few problems with the class like the sfi rule for 1 and also a little more parity...

632ci. W/.032 jet makes about 1650 hp
530ci. W/.046 jet makes about 1650 hp
440ci.SB W/.046 jet makes about 1350 - 1400 hp (small block should get wieght break)

kenny
You dreamin were you get those #s at 200lbs plus a 32 jet kevin was within a half a tenth on most passes that would put him ahead by 2 tenths.you should just ask for a weight break for black camaros;)

[bbnova]

I think there is a full tenth between combos...

[Jim Widener]

Key word in that statement was (I "think" there is a full tenth).No disrespect taken.

[mrsbbnova]

Uncle Robin this is a little off topic but my friend Lynn Burberry told me to say hello when i talked to you.

[Rocket]

What you folks need to do is quit trying to re-invent the wheel.

there was parity in NPS last year, and the knuckleheads that run this deal screwed it up big time and NONE of them want to step forward and admit it, the simple solution is..and I've said it before is use the '07 rules ...case solved.

But this changing of the rules every 3-7 races has driven the car counts down....and no it's not from high fuel prices as Aaron would have you think...it's now become a class noone want's to build a car for...and that's the truth

All races have had sorry car counts in NPS except for Joliet...but we don't race there 7 times a year....and Milan is 4 hrs away, and alot of those Chi-Town cars didn't show in Milan and I know a few of them and the real reasons why also...so you had 11 measly cars....why?...DUMB ASS RULES!!!!

We lost our sponsor for the shoot-out , as well as the class sponsor, and I feel more priority should of been spent on solidifying money, and sponsorship for the long term during the off season rather than having ford guy's with no racing experience change rules

Last year the 632, 530 HP, and small block were on a pretty level playing field, wth NO COMPLAINING... and now it has no chance???...please!!!!! get off your azz's and work harder on the rules makers to get back to the '07 rules if you want parity, and insist that the rules makers (if that is what to even call them)....stop guessing at what to do when none of 'em have even a remote idea as to what to do...do you folks honestly think your gong to get 20 cars with 632's???....you never did in the past and that is why the 530 was created...pretty soon you'll be back down to 5 cars all year long, oop's!!..just like...Atco, and in previous years as well as and the old NSCA...remember Kevin??, you raced yourself most of the time to become world champ

P.S....Kenny you ever think of running for President??..'cause you can sure bull$hit!...200lbs.??....LMAO!

JB

[Rocket]

I agree that the 632 combo needs some help to run with the .046 jet light wieght combo... But instead of complaining about the other combo Kevin why don't we just ask for help with our combo... Widener , Bucarro and Mcoy have worked hard and they deserve to be fast... I don't think they should change anything with the .046 jet combo's...
I think they should loose 200lbs off the 632 combo and give the .032 jet back...
It would solve a few problems with the class like the sfi rule for 1 and also a little more parity...

632ci. W/.032 jet makes about 1650 hp
530ci. W/.046 jet makes about 1650 hp
440ci.SB W/.046 jet makes about 1350 - 1400 hp (small block should get wieght break)

Kenny I can prove those numbers false, I made 1430 hp to run 7.40 in testing at Joliet. 4 days prior to Atlanta last year, pushed it in the trailer and unloaded in Atlanta and went 7.47 in bad air... I used a .048 jet also, so stop sugar coating

[mrsbbnova]

What you folks need to do is quit trying to re-invent the wheel.

there was parity in NPS last year, and the knuckleheads that run this deal screwed it up big time and NONE of them want to step forward and admit it, the simple solution is..and I've said it before is use the '07 rules ...case solved.

But this changing of the rules every 3-7 races has driven the car counts down....and no it's not from high fuel prices as Aaron would have you think...it's now become a class noone want's to build a car for...and that's the truth

All races have had sorry car counts in NPS except for Joliet...but we don't race there 7 times a year....and Milan is 4 hrs away, and alot of those Chi-Town cars didn't show in Milan and I know a few of them and the real reasons why also...so you had 11 measly cars....why?...DUMB ASS RULES!!!!

We lost our sponsor for the shoot-out , as well as the class sponsor, and I feel more priority should of been spent on solidifying money, and sponsorship for the long term during the off season rather than having ford guy's with no racing experience change rules

Last year the 632, 530 HP, and small block were on a pretty level playing field, wth NO COMPLAINING... and now it has no chance???...please!!!!! get off your azz's and work harder on the rules makers to get back to the '07 rules if you want parity, and insist that the rules makers (if that is what to even call them)....stop guessing at what to do when none of 'em have even a remote idea as to what to do...do you folks honestly think your gong to get 20 cars with 632's???....you never did in the past and that is why the 530 was created...pretty soon you'll be back down to 5 cars all year long, oop's!!..just like...Atco, and in previous years as well as and the old NSCA...remember Kevin??, you raced yourself most of the time to become world champ

P.S....Kenny you ever think of running for President??..'cause you can sure bull$hit!...200lbs.??....LMAO!

JB

Just pondering the past and if I recall correctly Rocket Man,when Kevin ran and won the championship for the nsca I saw your face at a lot of those races, as a matter of fact you raced in the class ...... , Oh and don't let me leave out , when Kevin wasnt "racing himself" He was beating you. http://a371.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/51/l_a811b1154648a076abb59574bf41e79a.gif

[Rocket]

Just pondering the past and if I recall correctly Rocket Man,when Kevin ran and won the championship for the nsca I saw your face at a lot of those races, as a matter of fact you raced in the class ...... , Oh and don't let me leave out , when Kevin wasnt "racing himself" He was beating you. http://a371.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/51/l_a811b1154648a076abb59574bf41e79a.gif

Hazel...'em I meen Colleen.....

I only raced Kevin one time in the NSCA NPS. (Stanton).....and then moved over to NMCA.......

And that proves my point, there were no car counts in NSCA...too many rule changes killed most class's there... over here in the NMCA...NPS was a shadow of what '07 was for car counts 'till they changed the rules. Charlie even told me so in my first year that NPS as it was...was considered to be on the "chopping" block, and that they would try it a little longer, and the 530 combo was born, and car counts rose dramtically, so how the NMCA could screw up a good thing, is beyond me...all that was needed was a quiet weight deduction for all classes to sidestep the SFI debacle... but to mess with power adders that were within .04 of each other was ridiculous, it's as if the rules makers said ....oh no!! we have something that works let's... f^ck -it up!,...Kevin cried about Huber and myself in the NSCA....and he's still whimpering.........

So now there has been 2 rules changes since the PRI show, and a third on the way...who is going to build cars under those circumstances

[TRW427SS]

What you folks need to do is quit trying to re-invent the wheel.

there was parity in NPS last year, and the knuckleheads that run this deal screwed it up big time and NONE of them want to step forward and admit it, the simple solution is..and I've said it before is use the '07 rules ...case solved.

But this changing of the rules every 3-7 races has driven the car counts down....and no it's not from high fuel prices as Aaron would have you think...it's now become a class noone want's to build a car for...and that's the truth

All races have had sorry car counts in NPS except for Joliet...but we don't race there 7 times a year....and Milan is 4 hrs away, and alot of those Chi-Town cars didn't show in Milan and I know a few of them and the real reasons why also...so you had 11 measly cars....why?...DUMB ASS RULES!!!!

We lost our sponsor for the shoot-out , as well as the class sponsor, and I feel more priority should of been spent on solidifying money, and sponsorship for the long term during the off season rather than having ford guy's with no racing experience change rules

Last year the 632, 530 HP, and small block were on a pretty level playing field, wth NO COMPLAINING... and now it has no chance???...please!!!!! get off your azz's and work harder on the rules makers to get back to the '07 rules if you want parity, and insist that the rules makers (if that is what to even call them)....stop guessing at what to do when none of 'em have even a remote idea as to what to do...do you folks honestly think your gong to get 20 cars with 632's???....you never did in the past and that is why the 530 was created...pretty soon you'll be back down to 5 cars all year long, oop's!!..just like...Atco, and in previous years as well as and the old NSCA...remember Kevin??, you raced yourself most of the time to become world champ

P.S....Kenny you ever think of running for President??..'cause you can sure bull$hit!...200lbs.??....LMAO!

JB





Johnny as for as 2007 being close between the 632's and the 530 combos, the 530ci combos hadn't figured there tune ups out!!! With those rules the 632's were already behind!!!!!!! :eek: So 2 thousandths jet change for 2008 didn't change anything. Now that the 530's have figured out there tune ups they have passed up the 632's by a tenth plus!!!!!!!! :mad:

Going back to the 07 rules isn't going to bring PARITY to the class its just going to make the whole field faster not EQUAL!!!!! ;)

As far as no one building a car for this class that's bull$h.t..... :p There was a new car for this class this weekend also 2 people came by our Pitt this weekend that were building cars for this class!!!!!!!! :) I have talked to several people this year that are building cars for this class!!!!!!! :D



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[Rocket]

Johnny as for as 2007 being close between the 632's and the 530 combos, the 530ci combos hadn't figured there tune ups out!!! With those rules the 632's were already behind!!!!!!! :eek: So 2 thousandths jet change for 2008 didn't change anything. Now that the 530's have figured out there tune ups they have passed up the 632's by a tenth plus!!!!!!!! :mad:

Going back to the 07 rules isn't going to bring PARITY to the class its just going to make the whole field faster not EQUAL!!!!! ;)

As far as no one building a car for this class that's bull$h.t..... :p There was a new car for this class this weekend also 2 people came by our Pitt this weekend that were building cars for this class!!!!!!!! :) I have talked to several people this year that are building cars for this class!!!!!!! :D
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Kenny, the class is down an average of something like 9 cars per race....that's not growth....1-new car when there has been a loss of 40% of last years top ten... 'aint growth, this class is like 10 years old now (NPS)

The '07 rules were the closest this class is going to get in parity... and you won the championship, if you think the class is going to survive on the 632 combination...your wrong, your fastest e.t. is only like .04 slower than Widener's so you need to work on your combo to be more consistant....loosing to Mitch Mika in the shoot out...is not consistancy...but it is embarassing :D...although them cheating is funny as hell

[TRW427SS]

Kenny, the class is down an average of something like 9 cars per race....that's not growth....1-new car when there has been a loss of 40% of last years top ten... 'aint growth, this class is like 10 years old now (NPS)

The '07 rules were the closest this class is going to get in parity... and you won the championship, if you think the class is going to survive on the 632 combination...your wrong, your fastest e.t. is only like .04 slower than Widener's so you need to work on your combo to be more consistant....loosing to Mitch Mika in the shoot out...is not consistancy...but it is embarassing :D...although them cheating is funny as hell


Johnny every #1 qualifier this year was by a 530ci combo!!!! :eek: So going back to the 07 rules and Widener goes .30s and we go .40s so how is that parity? :confused: :confused: Us losing to Mika is not a consistency problem it was a bad lane choice!! :o Oh by the way this is Terry not Kenny..... ;)


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[klafferty]

Hello lil Johnny. glad to see your still interested in the class...
I do agree JB that they need to set the rules and leeve them alone...
Whatever the best combo is then racers will change over or get left behind...
Thats racing... sorry about that 632 guys but its the truth!
It's not good that Kevin,Jeff,Beeson,Schroeder,Barb,Schmidt,Richart,J arrett,Remek,Boar,Mika and the other 3 guys that came buy the pits talking about building a car for the class may have to change over if they want to be more competitive... Thats a choice they have to make...
Jim I was just kidding with the -200lbs and .032 jet deal but we would take it if they were to give it...LOL
The .046 jet light wieght combo is not easy to get worked out but when you do it's very effective...
I am for the .030 jet heavy weight combo 100% because of dependability!!!
But its not right to keep penalizing someone for their hard work...
We(terry jeff & I) have discussed the .046 jet light wieght combo and it's not what we want to resort to but we may have no choice...
Look guys , McCoy ran 7.57 with 1.18 60' and a .042 jet... I see alot of room for improvement with those numbers...
Richart ran 7.56 Jeff ran 7.58 and Beeson ran 7.59 and thats all they had on that day...

[Jim Widener]

kenny
Don't know were the info came from that mccoy was only running a 42 jet but I talked to him last night and that thing had 46's in it.

[Rocket]

kenny
Don't know were the info came from that mccoy was only running a 42 jet but I talked to him last night and that thing had 46's in it.

Mcoy has run a .046, and worked with the .048 on several occasions, .002 is worth maybe .04 (average)....ALL CHAMPIONSHIPS have been won by a 632 combo!!!!!!!!!!....and a 632 LEADS the points now!!

Kenny...last year you held the record 'till last race when a HORSEPOWER combo barely eeked past you.....and you folks think the 530 needs an adjustment???????????...'dat don't make sense, the '07 rules were as close as your 'gonna get for parity, actually the e.t.'s were a 7.44, 7.45 and currently it is a 7.45.....I did run a 7.40 in testing, at Joliet last year ....but the at was Joliet, and everyone runs fast there, after I showed in Atlanta I went a 7.47, and Buccaro went a 7.44???, and you went 7.45???...last years rules are really what you should be concerned aout, minus a little weight, noone is building 3200 lb cars for this class....the car count is evident of that, and the constant rules changes scare some away..one of the reasons I stoped racing the class...I don't trust the organization to make EDUCATED decisions, and poor decisions cost money. look to the future...with low car counts how in the world can it attract any significant sponsorship????, with stupid rules where a combo that cost's $40,000 to build and is used for one class where the car counts are dropping like the housing market, how would anyone in their right mind enter the class?...'07 had parity...car counts..interest..and rivalry!!!!...what you have now is a mess.....

JB

[bbnova]

Johhny, you are not up to date as to where this class is with each combo. Also, nobody is trying to make this class a 632 class, just give it some parity.

Jim, you are an honest guy. I know that. Maybe honest and forthcoming to a fault, as I am. You have to admit there is an advantage to the 530 combo! I guess the question becomes what is a fair change?

On the next combo, the SB combo has an advantage over the 530 combo so that needs to be hit a little more than the 530 combo. We all heard the number Bacaro ran. Would Joe Bacaro be willing to help with the rules for the good of the class?

Finally, if there is nothing done to tweak the rules to even the palying feild, and that is all that is needed, then how many people will the class lose because they cannot afford to change combos? :confused:

[bbnova]

Tell'm Terry..


Johnny every #1 qualifier this year was by a 530ci combo!!!! :eek: So going back to the 07 rules and Widener goes .30s and we go .40s so how is that parity? :confused: :confused: Us losing to Mika is not a consistency problem it was a bad lane choice!! :o Oh by the way this is Terry not Kenny..... ;)


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[mrsbbnova]

Hello lil Johnny. glad to see your still interested in the class...
I do agree JB that they need to set the rules and leeve them alone...
Whatever the best combo is then racers will change over or get left behind...
Thats racing... sorry about that 632 guys but its the truth!
It's not good that Kevin,Jeff,Beeson,Schroeder,Barb,Schmidt,Richart,J arrett,Remek,Boar,Mika and the other 3 guys that came buy the pits talking about building a car for the class may have to change over if they want to be more competitive... Thats a choice they have to make...
Jim I was just kidding with the -200lbs and .032 jet deal but we would take it if they were to give it...LOL
The .046 jet light wieght combo is not easy to get worked out but when you do it's very effective...
I am for the .030 jet heavy weight combo 100% because of dependability!!!
But its not right to keep penalizing someone for their hard work...
We(terry jeff & I) have discussed the .046 jet light wieght combo and it's not what we want to resort to but we may have no choice...
Look guys , McCoy ran 7.57 with 1.18 60' and a .042 jet... I see alot of room for improvement with those numbers...
Richart ran 7.56 Jeff ran 7.58 and Beeson ran 7.59 and thats all they had on that day...

That's 11 racers it doesn't seem that they are the minority there ?
I don't believe there has been a 22 car field so far so looking at that they would loose more than half the class if they made that decision.
I just don't understand why we as racers and crew cant have a meeting with the powers that be and tell them how "we all want "our" class to be so that we can be one big happy family"
Make a combined effort to tell them to LET US HELP them make the decisions that are best for our class and ALL the teams involved. As long as everyone has a say on the outcome of the rules there is than no more room for complaining because we were the ones that made the decisions and agreed.

[David Beeson Jr]

I think they should give back the 32 jets and as far as the weight issue fix it across the class to satisfy the NHRA. I talked to Lonnie about these same issues in Milan and he said they would look at everything at the Memphis race and consider things for next year. So NPS racers as a group should get together in Atlanta and Memphis, come up with some ideas in agreement and go before them in Memphis " as a group" and possibly they will consider our ideas.

[Robin]

Uncle Robin this is a little off topic but my friend Lynn Burberry told me to say hello when i talked to you.


Tell her I said hello. Just don't tell her about any of the drama over here:D

I haven't had a chance to talk to her lately. I am sure she is busy since Adam left.


Robin

[Robin]

kenny
Don't know were the info came from that mccoy was only running a 42 jet but I talked to him last night and that thing had 46's in it.


Good to see the McCoy family back in the hunt.

And with Kevin asking for jet changes I want to say we run .046 jets also;)

Robin

[Rocket]

That's 11 racers it doesn't seem that they are the minority there ?
I don't believe there has been a 22 car field so far so looking at that they would loose more than half the class if they made that decision.
I just don't understand why we as racers and crew cant have a meeting with the powers that be and tell them how "we all want "our" class to be so that we can be one big happy family"
Make a combined effort to tell them to LET US HELP them make the decisions that are best for our class and ALL the teams involved. As long as everyone has a say on the outcome of the rules there is than no more room for complaining because we were the ones that made the decisions and agreed.

...Damn!!!...do I hear BOYCOTT? :D

[NMCA Scott]

I think they should give back the 32 jets and as far as the weight issue fix it across the class to satisfy the NHRA. I talked to Lonnie about these same issues in Milan and he said they would look at everything at the Memphis race and consider things for next year. So NPS racers as a group should get together in Atlanta and Memphis, come up with some ideas in agreement and go before them in Memphis " as a group" and possibly they will consider our ideas.


It's a hell of a lot more effective to have one official proposal signed by 20 people than 20 different proposals signed by one.

[bbnova]

Even Scott's helpin us out....

Thanks for th help Scott!!!!!

[bbnova]

If everyone involved in this class, or is thinking about joining the class in the near future would like to email me at bbnova@bbnovaracing.com with what they think the rules should be to make this fair, not give a combo an advantage, I will type up the different porposals and bring them to Atlanta. Then the NPS class can get together at some point over the weekend and intelegently discuss the different options that people are proposing. Please do some research on these different combo before making a proposal. Also, this may be the time to think about if we want this class to be under the 3200lb chassis cert or keep it as it is. Keep in mind, I'm sure there are a lot of cars that may not be able to get to that weight without taking out a second mortgage. If anyone has any additional ideas, now is the time????

[David Beeson Jr]

Kevin as far as the 3200# issue I think they're still trying to work with the NHRA to get a new spec for cars over 3200# to run faster than 7:50's,hopefully to 7:00's, so maybe we need to ask more about that.

[bbnova]

Everyone keep this in mind when thinking through all this....

[David Beeson Jr]

Kevin , I've been offline because of Gustav, but have discussed these issues with my dad and something has to be done to fix our class or it will only get worse for the racers. I hope we can hear from Team Midnight,come on Barb, Billy, Ricart, Schroeder, Baer, Remek, and everyone else in the class,we need everyone to pull together. Put your 2 cents in and lets keep our class alive!

[bbnova]

From everyone in the class I will contact them before the Atlanta event. I hope everyone gets involved for the betterment of the class.

[NMCA Scott]

From everyone in the class I will contact them before the Atlanta event. I hope everyone gets involved for the betterment of the class.


Welcome to the world of community organizing Kevin.

[bbnova]

At least I know who to get ahold of....:eek::D

[nmcajeff]

Guys don't forget to send in your official 2009 rules requests in to nmca rules @promediapub.com

[Rocket]

Guys don't forget to send in your official 2009 rules requests in to nmca rules @promediapub.com

Jeff....
Are you folks going to waste everyone's time...again.... and come up with some more ridiculous rules like the jet deal... or the mid season weight hit on the 530 cid....and then bull$hit everyone about ...why....you came to those conclusions???

We will be S/S or NPS legal soon....and could race either one, but with the way you guys run the "circus"...'er I meen rules committee, it would be nice to know...EXACTLY WHO is on this so-called "committee" Last year I spoke with Jason who was on it and he admitted that he is a Ford guy...and really was in the dark about the GM type cars....but this is a guy who voted on the NPS rules????????????????....RIDICULOUS!!!!!!!

JB

[Jim Widener]

The problem with the rules is going to be that all the opinions are bias in one direction and that is tword the 632 combo beecause that is what most of the racers have.I don't care who you if you are giviong input on rules it is always going to favor the combo that you are running it's human nature.If the 632 guys were outrunning the 530 combos then the 530 guys would be sying that the 632's have the advantage.
The rules need to be researched by the rules committe and not set by the racers just because some are slower than others.how many 632's can,t run the #s should we give all those guys a weight break to even the field.You can't justify rule changes off peak hp #s either don't you think the 632's are going to have a lot brodder power range.
lets say you take 10 guys from the class and give them all the same car with the same ci engine due you think those guys are all going to run the same #s.There would be a few that would figure the combo out and run 1/2 to a tenth faster and now what do we do-nothing the slower guys work on there combo and figure out how to go faster thats the nature of racing.The 530 combo hasn't been that fast in the past and we put together a high end piece and test some parts to get an advantage and we get nothing but more weight.kevin took his age old combo used his head a figured out a way to make alot nore power I mean he picted up a tenth a liitle more time on those changes and some more testing I'm sure he can run the #'s.I know w team colleta's not going to sit around and weight for the rules to change there already trying new stuff.Some of the cars that are not running the #s are running some pretty old technology if you want to win you need to evolve with the times.

There I'm done venting for the moment I'm sure my one opinion against all the 632's isn't going to make much of a difference but that is the way I look at it and I'm not pocking fingers at anyone I like the people in the class it's just racing

LET THE BASHING BEGIN:D

[NMCA Scott]

Jeff....
Are you folks going to waste everyone's time...again.... and come up with some more ridiculous rules like the jet deal... or the mid season weight hit on the 530 cid....and then bull$hit everyone about ...why....you came to those conclusions???

We will be S/S or NPS legal soon....and could race either one, but with the way you guys run the "circus"...'er I meen rules committee, it would be nice to know...EXACTLY WHO is on this so-called "committee" Last year I spoke with Jason who was on it and he admitted that he is a Ford guy...and really was in the dark about the GM type cars....but this is a guy who voted on the NPS rules????????????????....RIDICULOUS!!!!!!!

JB

Johnny get you head out of your ass. If you continue to do nothing but criticize the process and your former opponents, I'll just boot you. Either contribute or get lost.

[NMCA Scott]

On second thought, I am sick of your childish crap. You're outta here.

[mrsbbnova]

Jim Widener;40523]The problem with the rules is going to be that all the opinions are bias in one direction and that is tword the 632 combo beecause that is what most of the racers have.I don't care who you if you are giviong input on rules it is always going to favor the combo that you are running it's human nature.If the 632 guys were outrunning the 530 combos then the 530 guys would be sying that the 632's have the advantage.
The rules need to be researched by the rules committe and not set by the racers just because some are slower than others.how many 632's can,t run the #s should we give all those guys a weight break to even the field.You can't justify rule changes off peak hp #s either don't you think the 632's are going to have a lot brodder power range.
lets say you take 10 guys from the class and give them all the same car with the same ci engine due you think those guys are all going to run the same #s.There would be a few that would figure the combo out and run 1/2 to a tenth faster and now what do we do-nothing the slower guys work on there combo and figure out how to go faster thats the nature of racing.The 530 combo hasn't been that fast in the past and we put together a high end piece and test some parts to get an advantage and we get nothing but more weight.

kevin took his age old combo used his head a figured out a way to make alot nore power I mean he picted up a tenth a liitle more time on those changes and some more testing I'm sure he can run the #'s.I know w team colleta's not going to sit around and weight for the rules to change there already trying new stuff.Some of the cars that are not running the #s are running some pretty old technology if you want to win you need to evolve with the times.

There I'm done venting for the moment I'm sure my one opinion against all the 632's isn't going to make much of a difference but that is the way I look at it and I'm not pocking fingers at anyone I like the people in the class it's just racing

LET THE BASHING BEGIN:D
I agree It is human nature to be selfish that is why it is important that yourself and people who run the 530 combo are there to level the playing field out so it isnt only the opion of the 632 being heard. I dont know about everyone else but my intention is not to just put the shoe on the other foot. The fact of the matter is,you say we need to let the committe do the research well them gathering a group of any racers of any combo in any class is research Jim

we have busted our ass to find the numbers were finding we will all at some point get to the end of the line where there is no more to find ,when "we" meaning the whole class as it stands with the 2 combos reach that point ,do you honestly think that the 530 combo will be at no advantage , the fact of the matter is the 530 has an advantage at that point. there is more there for you to find, there are more hidden treasures for you than there are for us. Im looking for a class that is fare one that leaves all at the same place when they get to the end of looking your bad if you cant find everything that is hidden but if we have found it all and you have found it all and your still ahead of us than ,um no thank you

[nmcajeff]

Jeff....
Are you folks going to waste everyone's time...again.... and come up with some more ridiculous rules like the jet deal... or the mid season weight hit on the 530 cid....and then bull$hit everyone about ...why....you came to those conclusions???

We will be S/S or NPS legal soon....and could race either one, but with the way you guys run the "circus"...'er I meen rules committee, it would be nice to know...EXACTLY WHO is on this so-called "committee" Last year I spoke with Jason who was on it and he admitted that he is a Ford guy...and really was in the dark about the GM type cars....but this is a guy who voted on the NPS rules????????????????....RIDICULOUS!!!!!!!

JB
Johnny you will never change will you. I've been nothing but nice to you every time you approached me at the race track and you get on here and bash my integrity and the others on the committee. And for the other racers that you USED to race with in this class i'm sure can vouch for me that i"ve been nice and cooperative and looked out for the best interest of the class and it's racers. If you don't like it go somewere else and this is probably the best answer I can give you. Thank you and have a good life...

[Jim Widener]

Jim Widener;40523]The problem with the rules is going to be that all the opinions are bias in one direction and that is tword the 632 combo beecause that is what most of the racers have.I don't care who you if you are giviong input on rules it is always going to favor the combo that you are running it's human nature.If the 632 guys were outrunning the 530 combos then the 530 guys would be sying that the 632's have the advantage.
The rules need to be researched by the rules committe and not set by the racers just because some are slower than others.how many 632's can,t run the #s should we give all those guys a weight break to even the field.You can't justify rule changes off peak hp #s either don't you think the 632's are going to have a lot brodder power range.
lets say you take 10 guys from the class and give them all the same car with the same ci engine due you think those guys are all going to run the same #s.There would be a few that would figure the combo out and run 1/2 to a tenth faster and now what do we do-nothing the slower guys work on there combo and figure out how to go faster thats the nature of racing.The 530 combo hasn't been that fast in the past and we put together a high end piece and test some parts to get an advantage and we get nothing but more weight.

kevin took his age old combo used his head a figured out a way to make alot nore power I mean he picted up a tenth a liitle more time on those changes and some more testing I'm sure he can run the #'s.I know w team colleta's not going to sit around and weight for the rules to change there already trying new stuff.Some of the cars that are not running the #s are running some pretty old technology if you want to win you need to evolve with the times.

There I'm done venting for the moment I'm sure my one opinion against all the 632's isn't going to make much of a difference but that is the way I look at it and I'm not pocking fingers at anyone I like the people in the class it's just racing

LET THE BASHING BEGIN:D
I agree It is human nature to be selfish that is why it is important that yourself and people who run the 530 combo are there to level the playing field out so it isnt only the opion of the 632 being heard. I dont know about everyone else but my intention is not to just put the shoe on the other foot. The fact of the matter is,you say we need to let the committe do the research well them gathering a group of any racers of any combo in any class is research Jim

we have busted our ass to find the numbers were finding we will all at some point get to the end of the line where there is no more to find ,when "we" meaning the whole class as it stands with the 2 combos reach that point ,do you honestly think that the 530 combo will be at no advantage , the fact of the matter is the 530 has an advantage at that point. there is more there for you to find, there are more hidden treasures for you than there are for us. Im looking for a class that is fare one that leaves all at the same place when they get to the end of looking your bad if you cant find everything that is hidden but if we have found it all and you have found it all and your still ahead of us than ,um no thank you

I think the only way you will ever have a truly level playing field is if we were like pro stock and everyone had the same stuff.Look at the other classes it is truely very hard to create a level playing field with so many combo's all of these classes have dominant combo's.I wasn't bashing kevin I agree you guys have worked hard and it shows.I'm not saying my combo has a advantage or doesn't I was just stating an opinion.
These classes will never stop progressing in as many years as i've been racing the classes get faster every year you do something to slow them down and by the end of the next year they are just as fast so I don't think there is ever a point when someone has found it all there is always new technology stepping up.
The rules will be what they make them I will voice my opinion and listen to others and do what i can with what I'm givin to work with.

[mrsbbnova]

i did not mean to sound as if i was responding negatively to your post ,Thats why i hate computers they leave a lot of room for misconstrued thoughts.you commented that Kevin worked hard for the ET he has found i was just reiterating it lol. I didn't at all think you were bashing him your not that type of person.{at least i don't think ya are }:p
I agree that there will never be a level field but that should be because teams are working towards finding there numbers some may have an easier time due to experience and knowledge if that is what puts you ahead.. good for you deserve to be there .but if a team is ahead of the game because there combo has an advantage over the rest of the field in my opinion that's unfair.

[bbnova]

I still have not received any emails. I hope you guys put a little time into this so we can discuss this issue in Atlanta and maybe have a game plan to give to the NMCA for the 2009 season. Jim, don't feel because your combo is not represented more in this class that I am trying to say this is the way we (the 632's) want it. Everyone's input will have equal weight and a unanimous decision will be needed for all the combos before we go forward to the NMCA. If that cannot be accomplished, then we are back to square one and I feel the class car count will continue to diminish. I hope everyone will be fair when speaking up and submitting their thoughts. Please everyone, get involved!!!!

Also, if anyone feels I am overstepping my bounds here, I have no problem letting someone else orchestrate this.

[bbnova]

For all that want to be involved. I've made up a form and posted it here. Copy and paste the following to Word or Word pad and fill in where I put the # signs. These are in the weight and nos pill size for each combo. Please forward these to my email which again is bbnova@bbnovaracing.com. I will print all responses and bring them with me to the Atlanta event. Thanks to those that have already emailed. If everyone, even those who emailed me already could take this format and send it to me with your thoughts of weight and pill size that would be great.


Weight Breaks


ENGINE INDUCTION WEIGHT MAX CUBIC INCH NOS JET SIZE
Big Block Naturally Aspirated #### 640 N/A
Big Block Nitrous Oxide #### 480 ###
Big Block Nitrous Oxide #### 530 ###
Big Block Nitrous Oxide #### 632 ###
Small Block Nitrous Oxide #### 460 ###
Small Block Nitrous Oxide #### 525 ###

[NMCA Aaron]

...Damn!!!...do I hear BOYCOTT? :D

Uhh...that actually looks like a "constructive" approach and one that I think would work best.

Remember, there was also that SFI meeting in IL...

[klafferty]

Kevin everyone needs to have a meeting in Atlanta and talk about what we would like to see next year . I have been extremley busy and so has Terry and Jeff and we haven't gave it much thought so lets meet and talk in Atlanta...

[Testaniracing]

Testani/Bucaro may not be attending Atlanta(both of us have new babies), but will be in Memphis. We definitly want some input on this.

[nmcajeff]

Congrats to you both on the new babies.

[bbnova]

If we got the ball rolling now as to what each team is thinking would be fair. That would give us something to talk around in Atlanta. There won't be a bunch of time for this at the event. I think this leg work is time better spent and then start discussions around that. Nobody is saying what is sent to me is the way it will be. It just gives us ideas as to what each team thinks and how far apart the teams are from coming up with rules that even the playing field.


Kevin everyone needs to have a meeting in Atlanta and talk about what we would like to see next year . I have been extremley busy and so has Terry and Jeff and we haven't gave it much thought so lets meet and talk in Atlanta...

[bbnova]

Please take the time to email me with what you think are fair rules using the post I just posted and a phone number you can be contacted at.

Thanks...




Testani/Bucaro may not be attending Atlanta(both of us have new babies), but will be in Memphis. We definitly want some input on this.

[bbnova]

and congrats on the new additions to your families....




Testani/Bucaro may not be attending Atlanta(both of us have new babies), but will be in Memphis. We definitly want some input on this.

[GTMADNS]

Uhh...that actually looks like a "constructive" approach and one that I think would work best.

Remember, there was also that SFI meeting in IL...

What was said in the meeting? You want all cars to comply with the 25.2 weight rule? please enlighten us who were not there that are planning on racing this class.
Thanks Bob Kernwein

[bbnova]

I haven't recieved an email from you about your thoughts for the 2009 season??? When ya get a chance, can ya shoot me an email?

[NMCA Aaron]

What was said in the meeting? You want all cars to comply with the 25.2 weight rule? please enlighten us who were not there that are planning on racing this class.
Thanks Bob Kernwein

Sorry Bob, I wasn't in the meeting. It consisted of a few chassis builders and SFI reps. I talked with on the chassis builders after the meeting and he told me he thought it went very well. Classes such as this (NPS) were some of the primary reasons the meeting was set. Hopefully there will be some updates from SFI soon, but you'll have to remember that it's out of our control, we can only give reccomendations.

[GTMADNS]

Thanks Aaron and yes Kevin I will shoot you an email. I have been thinking about suggestions for you guys.
Thanks Bob

[GTMADNS]

Let me ask this question. Does the group want to stay around 7.50 et range or are we all looking to go faster? Im sure NMCA's reasoning behind what they did this year was to keep it there so they 25.5 cars are legal. How many in this group are 25.5 vs 25.2 ? how many 25.2 are over the 3200# limit?
Look forward to the reply's.
Bob

[bbnova]

That is a good question Bob. I know my car is currently certed 25.2 but will cert 25.5 as it did last year. I think when everyone sends their email to me maybe add your thoughts as to if we want to be a 25.5 class or a 25.2 class.


Let me ask this question. Does the group want to stay around 7.50 et range or are we all looking to go faster? Im sure NMCA's reasoning behind what they did this year was to keep it there so they 25.5 cars are legal. How many in this group are 25.5 vs 25.2 ? how many 25.2 are over the 3200# limit?
Look forward to the reply's.
Bob

[klafferty]

My Opinion:
Base Weights

Big Block N/A 2750lbs
Big Block Nitrous 3100lbs .032 nozzle jet
Small Block Nitrous 2700lbs .046 nozzel jet


Weight Adders and Deducts
Canted Valve Head Add 100lbs (let chevy head run also)
2 Carbs Add 50lbs
530ci Deduct 100lbs .046 jet nozzle jet
Conventional head Deduct 200 lbs

I know It's not going to happend this way but it's a start...

[Pat Powers]

My Opinion:
Base Weights

Big Block N/A 2750lbs
Big Block Nitrous 3100lbs .032 nozzle jet
Small Block Nitrous 2700lbs .046 nozzel jet


Weight Adders and Deducts
Canted Valve Head Add 100lbs (let chevy head run also)
2 Carbs Add 50lbs
530ci Deduct 100lbs .046 jet nozzle jet
Conventional head Deduct 200 lbs

I know It's not going to happend this way but it's a start...

Thanks for including the Canted Valve SBC, but why 100lbs......I could see 50lbs.

Pat

[bbnova]

:D Looks like you missed the BB/NOS up to 480 inches and the SB W/NOS up to 460 inches.

So I took your data and plugged it into the form I posted.

Weight Breaks


ENGINE INDUCTION----------- WEIGHT--- MAX CUBIC INCH--- NOS JET SIZE
Big Block Naturally Aspirated----2750---------- 640---------------- N/A
Big Block Nitrous Oxide---------####----------480----------------###
Big Block Nitrous Oxide----------3000----------530-----------------046
Big Block Nitrous Oxide----------3100----------640-----------------032
Small Block Nitrous Oxide--------####---------460-----------------###
Small Block Nitrous Oxide 2700-----------------525-----------------046

Weight Adders and Deducts
Canted Valve Head all manufactuers------Add 100lbs
2 Carbs---------------------------------Add 50lbs
Conventional head-----------------------Deduct 200 lbs





My Opinion:
Base Weights

Big Block N/A 2750lbs
Big Block Nitrous 3100lbs .032 nozzle jet
Small Block Nitrous 2700lbs .046 nozzel jet


Weight Adders and Deducts
Canted Valve Head Add 100lbs (let chevy head run also)
2 Carbs Add 50lbs
530ci Deduct 100lbs .046 jet nozzle jet
Conventional head Deduct 200 lbs

I know It's not going to happend this way but it's a start...

[bbnova]

We can discuss everyone's thoughts in Atlanta.

I promiss only to make small changes to what everyone emails me. J/K

Please email though.

[john schroeder]

how about fuel inj. 50 lbs ? and no fire wall weight ?

[bbnova]

You coming to play in Atlanta??? Looks like you got things figured out at the last Q8...

I've been watchin you... LOL....


Also, take my previous post and email me any changes you think should be incorporated into the 2009 rules.



how about fuel inj. 50 lbs ? and no fire wall weight ?

[bbnova]

He suggested I email everyone in the class with the replies I get so everyone can see what everyone else is thinking. This way everyone won't be overwhelmed with data in Atlanta. I will email everyone on Monday September the 15th, that either sends me an email with their rule thoughts or just emails me to see what everyone else has emailed with. I WILL NOT email anyone who cannot take the time to email me to say here is what we are thinking or I am interested please email with what you recieved. Come on everyone get involved here!!!!!!!


My email.....

bbnova@bbnovaracing.com

[klafferty]

Pat I know what a canted valve headed chevy engine is capable of making ...

[bbnova]

1100hp....:eek:

[David McCoy]

11 years in the making. Keith and I(pops) have been racing 8 years 5 engine builders later and 3 organizations later we have the same heads we started out with. It is a low compression motor. We run a .046 jet. We have been chasing to just go rounds and dreaming of winning another race. We had been chasing Huber forever he broke and we won our first race. We have destroyed a lot of parts and went up in flames twice and we come back time after time for more abuse. This is Drag Racing you have to keep up with the technology. It isn't that the 632 guys is going slower we have caught up with the guys that have the 632's. Look at Pro Stock and Funny Car Anderson and Force was on top all the time now their competition has caught up with them. Jim Widner has worked hard and around people that know's these type of cars and has been champions. Keith and I have worked very hard to get our car down the track even though we live 7 miles from a professional chassis builder that I helped get stared in his business. He won't give us the time of day. We have figured everything out on our own along with some of our competition suggestions like running 25 degrees timing!!!!We would love to win another race or just get in to the finals. Kevin and Coletta I don't know how many races or championships you have won I am happy that you have wins in your column. Every time we get to a point that we might be able to win a race "the rules get changed" and we have to start all over again. We can not build another motor period. If you guys x us again out of a class we will be done. I really hope the NMCA will leave the rules alone I think we are all about equal. Look at Barb Nesbeth how she came around. If your engine builder isn't doing you a good job then get a new engine builder or work on your chassie like we are. We can't make it to Georgia because we hurt 6 pistons again trying to get a better number. We hope to be at Memphis.

[klafferty]

You are close Kevin , I think more like 1050hp then add 400-450hp for the nitrous so there you have it ...
How fast can 1450-1500hp go @2850lbs ?

[klafferty]

If the NMCA leave the rules as they are now we (team Colletta) will have a 530ci light weight .046 jet combo in the car for 2009
We think we can go 7.30-7.34 with that combo...
What does that do for the 7.50 cap that the nmca wants to keep on this class?
Widener can go 7.38-7.40 now if he wants to but he doesn't need to... add Big Chief heads and then he is 150hp better then he runs 7.30-7.34
This is not rocket science guys , do the math...

[bbnova]

I feel for you and your frustration. Nobody is axing any combo. In fact, all we are doing here is talking about making things equal. On top of that, none of us are the NMCA. The NMCA will have the final say so as to what happens. I am just trying to bring everyone together to talk about parity in the class. I mean no disrespect here Team McCoy. Jim Widner has shown that your combo is a quicker combo than the 640 combo. My opinion as is Lafferty's, is that Jim is a smart racer and is not showing his hand fully. If need be, I think there is more et to be had. Keep at it and see ya in Memphis.



11 years in the making. Keith and I(pops) have been racing 8 years 5 engine builders later and 3 organizations later we have the same heads we started out with. It is a low compression motor. We run a .046 jet. We have been chasing to just go rounds and dreaming of winning another race. We had been chasing Huber forever he broke and we won our first race. We have destroyed a lot of parts and went up in flames twice and we come back time after time for more abuse. This is Drag Racing you have to keep up with the technology. It isn't that the 632 guys is going slower we have caught up with the guys that have the 632's. Look at Pro Stock and Funny Car Anderson and Force was on top all the time now their competition has caught up with them. Jim Widner has worked hard and around people that know's these type of cars and has been champions. Keith and I have worked very hard to get our car down the track even though we live 7 miles from a professional chassis builder that I helped get stared in his business. He won't give us the time of day. We have figured everything out on our own along with some of our competition suggestions like running 25 degrees timing!!!!We would love to win another race or just get in to the finals. Kevin and Coletta I don't know how many races or championships you have won I am happy that you have wins in your column. Every time we get to a point that we might be able to win a race "the rules get changed" and we have to start all over again. We can not build another motor period. If you guys x us again out of a class we will be done. I really hope the NMCA will leave the rules alone I think we are all about equal. Look at Barb Nesbeth how she came around. If your engine builder isn't doing you a good job then get a new engine builder or work on your chassie like we are. We can't make it to Georgia because we hurt 6 pistons again trying to get a better number. We hope to be at Memphis.

[bbnova]

Laffery, I have already talked to someone local here in Michigan who says the 1100 hp number is what I can expect if I could move to that combo. I am not in a position to do that as my car will not get any lighter than it currently is. So that means sell everything and start over. Not gonna happen...



You are close Kevin , I think more like 1050hp then add 400-450hp for the nitrous so there you have it ...
How fast can 1450-1500hp go @2850lbs ?

[bbnova]

I have recieved so far. However, there are still teams out there that have not been heard from. Please take some time and get those emails to me.

[DRAGRCR632]

hey kevin

what do you suggest that
should be changed??????




LRT

[bbnova]

There are any boundries as to what can be brought to the table. Take the current rules and revise them how you would like to see the rules. All this will then be discussed in Atlanta. I hear your coming.....:D

[DRAGRCR632]

kevin


was hoping to but it
isnt looking good car is
done waiting on dyno time



LRT

[bbnova]

Your just going to let me kick everyone's butt alone then?????:eek:

Hope things change and ya make it....

Do like we do, show up and test.... LOL....

[DRAGRCR632]

im itchin bad to be there
if it was mich not atlanta
id for sure just bring it to test

but atlanta is to far to bring a NEW
MOTOR and CAR ugh that hasnt been
down the track

will just see what happens

LRT

[CC of three]

here it is give the 632 back a 32 jet leave jim widner alone all small blocks 2850 pretty simple lets race and if you run a 1969 pumpkin orange camaro you must add 250lbs

[CC of three]

that comment was ment for little johnny

[GTMADNS]

CC i think that is hitting the small blocks way to hard. What about a small block who does not run a sheetmetal intake? Weight brake? I think NMCA is looking at way to get the combo's under or at 3200 for 25.2 spec and have everyone legal.

[bbnova]

Tonight I will be sending out emails to everyone who emailed me with everyones response.

[bbnova]

I took too much on tonight so look for an email early tomorrow morning.

[bbnova]

Has been sent. Look it all over and lets talk in Atlanta.

[TRW427SS]

Has been sent. Look it all over and lets talk in Atlanta.

Okay got the email Kevin, where is your revisions?;)

[CAMARO 69]

I am building a car for this class and the constant rule changes defintely make this class less appealing. I mean I'm on the outside looking in and it makes it hard to chose a particular combo. We will be most likely running the 530 and under combo because that is what we know. Get this stuff fiqured out so the rules can be more stabilized for the future of the class. Hope to be racing withe everyone soon.

[bbnova]

The rules changes we are suggging to the NMCA are just tweaks. Nothing being dicussed is a deal breaker. What ever combo you go with should be a good decision as the rules should be more equal if the NMCA makes the changes we as the class decide on. What mentioned here is scaring you? I don't understand?

[bbnova]

With my thoughts. Sorry for the delay.

[CAMARO 69]

Nothing in paticular is scaring me! Just hoping for some rules that would stay stable for years to come, understanding that tweaks are necessary. I think as a whole everyone is fairly happy, the only thing I dont understand about the 632 thing is if you guys arent making enough power then why such big MPH, that means power right? Just a question as our combo has never put up that kind of MPH, so its just an assumption on my part.

[bbnova]

Golobo, Schroeder, Colletta, Beeson, and I'm pretty sure T. Nesbitt in the Corvette, they all put up those "big MPH" numbers. My feeling is it has more to do with the frontal overhang of those cars. If you think about the MPH, the ET would be somewhere closer to 7.0's not 7.40's and 7.50's. On top of that, it takes something like 1800 hp to do that. I'll bet eveything I own, they are closer to making 1600 hp now with the current rules.

When you say "Just hoping for some rules that would stay stable for years to come" and then "understanding that tweaks are necessary", I don't understand what hasn't been stable in this class? Can you give an example? Are you quoting others perhaps?

[Jim Widener]

They're all just running slow to make me look fast:D.If I don't have a car length at the 1/8 mile they come around me like a freight train.If we put my 1/8 mile with their backhalf we'd have something.The 632 definatly runs harder on the big end.

[CAMARO 69]

bbnova,
Not trying to stir the pot just looking at the numbers with no bias either way.I personally know that the small inch BB runs out of steam at the other end, you can only fill them small cylinders up so fast and the bottle is starting to taper off at that point. Rules staying stable would make any class more appealing, I talk to no one that runs this class on a regular basis. Jim you would know better than myself how much more MPH on average does the 632 pick up on the back half compared to the small BB or the smallblock. Off the subject whats the feeling on allowing one(1) fifteen bottle in place of two(2) ten lb. bottles? Just looking to keep weight to a min.

[bbnova]

Already runs 2 bottles.

[john schroeder]

kevin congrats. on your win and so how did your rules meeting go ?

[bbnova]

You made some big head way. Not everything you asked for, but most it. We need to give Jim Widner a few days to come back with a few answers that he was asked, and then I will email out what was agreed upon so everyone can look it over. Once everyone is happy as can be in a situation as this, I will print it out and bring it Memphis for all that show up to sign. Shoot me an email and I will add you to the reply list with the rules request when complete.



bbnova@bbnovaracing.com